DGPT: 2019 Memorial Championship

[JC17393]

Me too. Early is always better. Get 'er done.

Plus the early starts are a matter of logistics. The Memorial is played on two courses, and there's a huge field. Gotta spread out those tee times to get everyone in.

This is true. Someone has to tee off early each day. But let's be clear...the women doing it every round at these events is a sacrifice for the sake of video coverage. I would guess that it's one they happily make because the consequence of later tee times is very likely no cameras (or at least, no live cameras).

Whether it's live cameras like with the DGPT or post-produced cameras as seen at Vegas, the larger the time separation between the FPO lead card and the MPO lead card, the easier it is to cover both of them.

 

[Nova P]

Seems crazy that Fpo is asked to tee off each morning starting at 7-7:30am,, who in the world is ready to compete at that time of day ? Tee off at noon or 1 pm and everything is different

I'm not. I never am. I hate, hate, hate, hate that FPO usually gets the dawn tee times. I'm not a morning person at all, and I often play like **** until I have awakened, usually around noon or so.

 

[SD86]

This is true. Someone has to tee off early each day. But let's be clear...the women doing it every round at these events is a sacrifice for the sake of video coverage. I would guess that it's one they happily make because the consequence of later tee times is very likely no cameras (or at least, no live cameras).

Whether it's live cameras like with the DGPT or post-produced cameras as seen at Vegas, the larger the time separation between the FPO lead card and the MPO lead card, the easier it is to cover both of them.

My question is this: if there were no video coverage at all, would the FPO still be relegated to the early morning tee times?

 

[Monocacy]

West Coast, Seneca Creek in MD and apparently the Hambrick are the places still penalizing random bad luck.

Even Seneca Creek is moving away from 2-meter rule for many tourneys.

From what I hear Seneca Creek held onto the 2-meter rule partly because of tradition (before the redesign lots of holes required a low roller under the cedars), and partly because they did not want to reward going over the top and aiming for a velcro cedar near the basket.

As the newer-growth trees have grown, over the top lines are less available to ordinary mortals.

 

[JC17393]

My question is this: if there were no video coverage at all, would the FPO still be relegated to the early morning tee times?

No, I don't believe they would. At least not every round. Prior to video being so omnipresent at these elite tournaments, the ones that did tee times often alternated tee times to give FPO later start times for at least a round or two. In fact, I think it was the Memorial a few years back that had FPO going out last on days one and two, then swapping so that MPO went out last on days three and four. Some events have also put the FPO in a different pool than the MPO so they weren't playing the same courses on the same day and could both have later tee times.

I know that in the early years at Maple Hill, FPO would go out at the end of the first day for sure (it was only three days anyway). And on the final day, the top 2-3 FPO cards were held off until later so that they'd finish just before the top 4-5 MPO cards and have the bigger crowds greeting them at hole 18. Also, for a number of years, the event also had a Grandmasters division. They usually got the earliest tee times.

Worth noting as well is that prior to video coverage, a lot more of these bigger events were still using shotgun starts so everyone started at the same time.

 

[fish58320]

Even Seneca Creek is moving away from 2-meter rule for many tourneys.

From what I hear Seneca Creek held onto the 2-meter rule partly because of tradition (before the redesign lots of holes required a low roller under the cedars), and partly because they did not want to reward going over the top and aiming for a velcro cedar near the basket.

As the newer-growth trees have grown, over the top lines are less available to ordinary mortals.

Far as I know Seneca is still playing the 2-meter rule for everything except the 1 tournament a year that I run. It's been played at the last 4 Soirees.

 

[chosenmatrix]

I'm not. I never am. I hate, hate, hate, hate that FPO usually gets the dawn tee times. I'm not a morning person at all, and I often play like **** until I have awakened, usually around noon or so.

What do you do in a tournament without tee times? I get that 7:00 is early for most people, but most tournaments don't allow for anyone to be starting after noon.

 

[Monocacy]

Far as I know Seneca is still playing the 2-meter rule for everything except the 1 tournament a year that I run. It's been played at the last 4 Soirees.

Not surprised about the Soiree. I don't play many tournaments but I have played a couple at Seneca in recent years where 2-meter rule was not in effect.

 

[JC17393]

What do you do in a tournament without tee times? I get that 7:00 is early for most people, but most tournaments don't allow for anyone to be starting after noon.

I don't want to speak for Nova, but I imagine for some, the difference between teeing at 7 or 8am (and having to get up and get moving in order to arrive at least 20-30 minutes before that) and teeing at 9 or 10am is significant. I mean, a 9am tee time probably emulates a 9am start time for work on a daily basis, at least in terms of one's wake up time and morning routine, so it's more manageable.

I'm a morning person so I'm only guessing. I personally don't really like tee time starts because as an MPO player, I'm typically teeing later and as an early riser, I struggle with filling the meantime. Shotgun or tee time start, give me 9am over noon any day.

 

[Cgkdisc]

It may have been easier for Eveliina to fall in-sync with early FPO tee times since she is natively 8 hours ahead, even though being here since LVC.

 

[chosenmatrix]

I'm a morning person so I'm only guessing. I personally don't really like tee time starts because as an MPO player, I'm typically teeing later and as an early riser, I struggle with filling the meantime. Shotgun or tee time start, give me 9am over noon any day.

Yeah, I guess I am just having a hard time relating. I am also a morning person, and would rather just get started, but I am not upset, and calling for systematic change if my tee time is at 3 in the afternoon.

It just seemed like there was actual anger about having anyone tee off early.

 

[Flick Maniac]

It may have been easier for Eveliina to fall in-sync with early FPO tee times since she is natively 8 hours ahead, even though being here since LVC.

Sounds vaguely logical but maybe a bit stretched. Not sure how many days prior to the event she arrived. And its not like travelling so far comes without any physical effects either.

 

[JC17393]

Yeah, I guess I am just having a hard time relating. I am also a morning person, and would rather just get started, but I am not upset, and calling for systematic change if my tee time is at 3 in the afternoon.

It just seemed like there was actual anger about having anyone tee off early.

To be clear, I may prefer earlier tee times but I'll play whatever my assigned tee time is without complaint. If it's 3pm, that's fine with me since that's probably lead card or close to it.

 

[lyleoross]

It may have been easier for Eveliina to fall in-sync with early FPO tee times since she is natively 8 hours ahead, even though being here since LVC.

Ever had jet lag? And I admit Euro Jet Lag is nothing like Asian Jet Lag (flying here from Europe vs Asia that is). That means she teed off at 4:00 and played past her bedtime.

I'm gonna give this a 1 in terms of impact, maybe, but not much.

Take Paige. She over putted, and threw OB because of over drives. I would think that early or late, you should be able to understand that is going to cost you.

It seemed to me that Eveliina just threw lights out.

 

[Nova P]

What do you do in a tournament without tee times? I get that 7:00 is early for most people, but most tournaments don't allow for anyone to be starting after noon.

Shotgun starts are usually a little later, more like 9:00 am or so around here. That's almost okay for me. Mostly I get there early, play a whole quick round to loosen up / wake up, then play the first round with a bottle of water in one bottle holder and a giant bottle of cola in the other. I usually feel "awake" around the time the sun gets higher up than the tree tops.

 

[jvphobic]

I do wish that we would see an occasional change up with FPO & MPO at events. But, what would be more difficult to adjust for? Starting at different times each day morning-afternoon-morning at one event like they used to or just starting early in the morning constantly? I honestly don't know as I haven't had to deal with that situation.

For some reason whenever I have to play an event with tee-times, I am always playing early?? (I suck).

 

[runningoz]

So about that 2nd MPO card next day coverage......

 

[Scott Davis]

With 2 different courses being played , couldn't the women have tee times similar to the men's field ? The women's tour is looking so promising and entertaining this year that they could almost have their own tour ,, why couldn't jomez cover 1 field and smash box cover the other , vice versa

 

[ToddL]

With 2 different courses being played , couldn't the women have tee times similar to the men's field ? The women's tour is looking so promising and entertaining this year that they could almost have their own tour ,, why couldn't jomez cover 1 field and smash box cover the other , vice versa

Putting FPO and MPO on different courses at the same time as the men would devastate the fan support/gallery for the FPO division.

 

[davetherocketguy]

Someday I will totally understand Mr. West's diagrams. Today is not that day.