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It's not forcing the disc into under and over stability. Just neutral.
/drift
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It's not forcing the disc into under and over stability. Just neutral.
Oh, and for those who were talking about it. We found when we tore them apart that the extra weight is in the rim, and MVP only makes 2 weights for the flight plates. I don't remember the cutoff, but somewhere between like 165g and 180g the flight plates are all the same. So it would actually be the heavier discs that are slightly more gyroscopic.
"More gyroscopic than..." is a phrase that's been thrown around a few times in this thread without enough specificity.
Same flight plate, heavier rim is more gyroscopically stable than same flight plate and lighter rim.
Same rim, heavier flight plate is more gyroscopically stable than same ram, lighter flight plate.
I think the important question that no one is touching is: Is a 155g MVP driver more gyroscopically stable than a 155g single-mold driver of similar profile? That's the important one, isn't it? If you like throwing lighter discs, then your calculations should be made between multiple discs of the same weight, not between multiple weights of the same disc.
I agree with your main point, but that isn't quite what's going on with MVP. If we could say "this Gyro disc flies 5% farther," I agree that would be huge. But we can't. If we could say "it flies 5% straighter," then that would be huge. But we can't. MVP just moved around 5% of the mass of the disc closer to the edge, and unfortunately we can't actually demonstrate that is making any practical difference in the final result of the throw.
Individual throwers are also too unique to really quantify this stuff. I know that Streamline is now making one of the MVP molds in a "single mold" configuration, so without the Gyro. If someone really wanted to know, they could try each version and see if it made a practical difference for them. My guess is that it would not. The variation from one throw to the next is going to be greater than the variation gained by moving a small percent of the disc's mass closer to the rim.
But not all factors necessarily work the same way.
I feel mvp discs do fly straighter and stay locked on a line.
That could be due to most of the 10 speed and under mvp/axiom molds having no dome(from my experience).
Either way...i have a karate chop forehand. With a Force i get that anny flex forehand to fight out pretty easy.
With every OS Mvp/Axiom driver i have tried (for anny flex karate chop forehand) they hold the anny too long before flexing out. Out of the almost 10 molds i tried, this was consistent for me.
I only use 3 molds from them after trying to make a full Gyro bag a while ago. Envy, Volt, Mayhem
Well, I am a highschool physics teacher. When I say "more gyroscopic" I'd call that clear enough.
So, you are THE authority on what "more like a gyroscope" means? BTW, do you need a degree in physics to be a physics teacher?
So, you are THE authority on what "more like a gyroscope" means? BTW, do you need a degree in physics to be a physics teacher?
There is only ONE steel edge frisbee of consequence:
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I only bag two mvp molds. The Envy and Volt.
That's because those are their best two molds.
If you were talking about the original Volt, I'd agree. Insanity and Crave are better molds than the newer Volt.
Wait there's a new one!? Is there a shift in gyro because the original bombs... mother ****a!
Goodman me an my first runs, I'm so outta date!
Do not forget that MVP/Axiom are not the only ones with a edge of wing/rim with gyro tech. I think Yikun discs is the other still making discs this way with a different attachment system for its discs to avoid a lawsuit the way Latitude 64 and the trilogy had for the few molds made the same way as MVP/Axiom made during a blank spot before the old patent got renewed.