VictorB
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Everything is a no brainer until you think about the logistics.
Step 1: Someone wants PDGA to run all aspects of tour
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!!
I think you may have missed my point
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Everything is a no brainer until you think about the logistics.
Step 1: Someone wants PDGA to run all aspects of tour
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!!
Thanks, ok...so the PDGA does not own Udisc, but if they invested in it, I would assume there is some level of ownership for future roi. Membership fees are paying for the investment of internal app development, udisc partnerships, udisc doing live scoring for pdga events. You have no problem with your membership fees paying for that, but you wouldn't want your fees also going toward growing the pro side...
We are going to fail to see this the same way, because I think the idea of a non-player fan base is a fantasy.
So much this. Growth in disc golf is not being done because of the pro side. Growth in disc golf is from grassroots initiatives at local courses through tournaments, minis and casual rounds.
As a PDGA member - if there was a bump in membership fees and it went toward producing high quality coverage? Awesome. A lot of people here are very against "supporting the pros" with the money of the members - but what I want as a fan, in addition to being a tournament player, is great coverage. If the pro players are elevated financially by the exposure - I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with this kind of money being involved directly in paying players on the tour - but their elevation as a result of having great live product? Sweet.
I'm okay with what the PDGA has done thus far for me as a player, what has happened in establishing IDGC, and so on - so I like how things are set up now. But if someone can find a way to afford better coverage, I'm for it.
The grass roots rise of casual disc golf is amazing to say the least, but this thread is about growing public awareness of the pro side and how the pro side may or not benefit from the PDGA taking a larger interest in it.
Thanks, ok...so the PDGA does not own Udisc, but if they invested in it, I would assume there is some level of ownership for future roi. Membership fees are paying for the investment of internal app development, udisc partnerships, udisc doing live scoring for pdga events. You have no problem with your membership fees paying for that, but you wouldn't want your fees also going toward growing the pro side. okayyyyyy..
I haven't been around disc golf that long, but it's completely obvious the pro side is severely lacking when it comes to public awareness. Seems like every few years something comes along trying to get to the next level (which has to be growing the non player fan base). And then it sputters out. Why hasn't the PDGA addressed this...years ago? Is the am side of the organization so financially lucrative the pro side just isn't a priority?
If so...why not just keep things as they are with the PDGA and get a team together and start working on the PDGATOUR which focuses just on the pros? Would that be such a bad thing?
Dude, the people who have been around for decades are trying to tell you.
The Pro Side push has been tried over and over again.
It hasn't worked and proved to be a big money pit, that's why it sputters out.
We've had corporate dollars involved in Pro Disc Golf in the past and they left because it wasn't sustainable.
Everyone eventually figured out that AMs are what fuel disc golf growth and that it would probably be smarter to focus on resources with them.
That kind of bottom up growth is more sustainable.
The difference would be that the PDGA offers funding assistance to Tournament Directors or in some cases funds all of the media production.
Agreed also. It makes us old timers :wall: when this keeps coming up.Dude, the people who have been around for decades are trying to tell you.
The Pro Side push has been tried over and over again.
It hasn't worked and proved to be a big money pit, that's why it sputters out.
We've had corporate dollars involved in Pro Disc Golf in the past and they left because it wasn't sustainable.
Everyone eventually figured out that AMs are what fuel disc golf growth and that it would probably be smarter to focus on resources with them.
That kind of bottom up growth is more sustainable.
You've said "free" a few times now, do you really think NONE of our membership fees rather past or present, isn't paying for that?
I joined this site in 2010, the PDGA in 2011.
47,200 numbers had been given out between the inception of the organization, and the day my application registered in 2011.
We are in the 110,000's 8 years later.
Yet some people refuse to see the change right in front of them. McBeth doesn't make 7 figures because people don't care about pros, coverage, and tours. It's fine if that doesn't suit your fancy, but let's stop pretending like it doesn't suit the majority.
Vote with your dollars, but understand that us 20- and 30- somethings are laughing if you would pull your support for the PDGA over a couple extra bucks a month.
I joined this site in 2010, the PDGA in 2011.
47,200 numbers had been given out between the inception of the organization, and the day my application registered in 2011.
We are in the 110,000's 8 years later.
Yet some people refuse to see the change right in front of them. McBeth doesn't make 7 figures because people don't care about pros, coverage, and tours. It's fine if that doesn't suit your fancy, but let's stop pretending like it doesn't suit the majority.
Vote with your dollars, but understand that us 20- and 30- somethings are laughing if you would pull your support for the PDGA over a couple extra bucks a month.
I joined this site in 2010, the PDGA in 2011.
47,200 numbers had been given out between the inception of the organization, and the day my application registered in 2011.
We are in the 110,000's 8 years later.
Yet some people refuse to see the change right in front of them. McBeth doesn't make 7 figures because people don't care about pros, coverage, and tours. It's fine if that doesn't suit your fancy, but let's stop pretending like it doesn't suit the majority.
Vote with your dollars, but understand that us 20- and 30- somethings are laughing if you would pull your support for the PDGA over a couple extra bucks a month.
Dude, the people who have been around for decades are trying to tell you....