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You mean he's not a role model?
That's just turrable.
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You mean he's not a role model?
I like how Eagle McMahon is 22 and in everyone's top 5 in the world and we talk about him like he totally missed his window.
Missed? Maybe...missing is the better word. I think Eagle represents the typical pro we're going to see during the next (current?) wave of disc golf. Someone with the skill set to do well at tournaments plus have a decent social media presence to move product. But will never dominate the sport, due to too many players at the top with similar skills.
I think the sport is going to look back at Lizotte and think what could of been. Contrary to Paul's journey, Simon was pretty much raised early on just to play disc golf and with his early success, perhaps pressure to be the best in the game. Maybe the pressure of owning up to that was too much and he just developed a more casual mindset to what success in this sport means to him. Contrast that to Paige Pierce who was also groomed for disc golf success early on but has maintained the drive to be the best through out her career.
There are several players with the skill (great putting, driving, accuracy), but there's 2 things that most don't have...
1- An elite level putt, backhand drive, sidearm, and approach accuracy. Many players have 1-2, or maybe even 3 of these, but seldomely all 4.
2- The BIGGEST differentiator is cold blooded license to kill. Not one player even comes close to his killer instinct. It's either he wins, or it doesn't even matter. Other players are happy with a top 10 finish, not McBeth. If he's on chase card, it's almost more exciting than seeing him on lead card, because he will do whatever it takes to win. His performance under pressure is unmatched.
seriously disagree
Thx for the dialog btw. There is no doubt, Eagle is going to win tournaments, but so will Lizotte, Jones, Heimburg, Wysocki, Conrad, Sexton, and several others. Anyone of those players could dominate a single tournament at any time. I don't see anyone of them dominating over and over enough to stand out as the next McBeth.
My criteria to be the next McBeth starts with being a 5X or more champ. But with all the competition and the fact that you need only to win 1 tournament to be crowned world champ makes it harder every year to win that event more than once imop. Hence my gut feeling we may never see another McBeth. Should the criteria to be called the next McBeth be something else?
Zach doesn't seem to have the gifts.Zach is local and imo has a chance to go big in his future. That young and throws the way he does is amazing. His head seems to be his biggest problem and that will improve with age and maturity.
Not saying he'll be the next Paul but he has a good chance of getting closer than anyone else I know*.
*I don't pay attention to others so if you asked "what about XYZ" my answer will be, I never heard of them.
Right? Ezra is OLDER than Eagle.I like how Eagle McMahon is 22 and in everyone's top 5 in the world and we talk about him like he totally missed his window.
Zach doesn't seem to have the gifts.
A lot of guys more gifted than Arlinghaus seem likely to have the head game you need. I'll be shocked if Zach is anything more than a solid touring pro.
It is a strange thread.
Eagle was mentioned as a guy who had a chance and missed, though he is 22, top 5, has all kinds of big wins, and nobody would bat an eyelash at anyone picking him to beat McBeth on any given day (each won 2 tours last year, McBeth was 5-3-1 against Eagle in tourneys).
The guys named are Ezra, Kyle Klein, and Zach A. Ezra is likeable and has muscles. Kyle Klein has a lot of good results at a young age, but hasn't really won anything. Zach A is just young. I see no reason why anyone would pick any of those guys over Eagle.
Not sure what you mean by "other" 16 year olds, given Arlinghaus turns 18 in six months. Not a big distinction, 17 or 16 - he's still a great talent. But physically he just doesn't appear to measure up. That isn't to say he couldn't overachieve his measurables - Paul definitely has.What other 16 year olds are you talking about?
I really think Worlds being a four round event has really hurt what it does to measure our best players. Over 4 rounds - lower rated players have a much better chance at having an outlier event. In 2008, had Worlds been a 4 round event, Nikko Locastro would have won by 3 shots. Instead? He tied for 10th with Climo over the course of the 8 rounds from Round 1 through Semis, 5 shots back of playing in Finals.Eagle and Oskari Vikstrom would seem to have the best chance just because of their ages and arm talent, but I don't think either will accomplish as much as McBeth just because there's so much more parity now. Consider that even McBeth himself --who has been at or around 1050 rating for seemingly forever---only has one world title since 2015.