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Lake Marshall - The Lair

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DiscGolfCraig
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Experience: 19.9 years 597 played 544 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Top Lair

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 17, 2022 Played the course:once

Pros:

The Lair plays second fiddle to the Lions layout. That's the championship, pro level layout. While that course has all of the challenge and some fun, Lair seems to be closer to a perfect mix of both aspects.
- My favorite courses are the ones that offer a great mix of both challenge and fun. Courses such as New Quarter, Mountain Lake (RIP), Hornets Nest, Harmon Hills, Sugaree, and Idlewild offer both facets. Lions is easily a better layout than Lair. But, if I had to play one course multiple times in a row, I'm picking Lair.
- Course has a much better flow throughout. You start with two straight holes incorporating water. #1 is a tough, tight tee shot. Don't go long with your approach shot or your already wet.
- #2 is top notch in terms of scenery. You're teeing off just a few steps from the lake. It's a dogleg right away from the water. It's only 327 feet to the basket and it's not really tough. But it's a nervous tee shot for about a couple seconds, especially if your disc starts turning back to the water.
- The front nine alone shows how much variety this course offers. #4 is a short, 189 foot, downhill layout. What? An easy hole at Lake Marshall? How'd that slip through the cracks.
- #5 was my favorite under the radar hole at this entire property. It's going to be exactly nobody's favorite hole, but it's quality and memorable. It's only 251 feet. You can get around the trees in the fairway easily. The distinction here is the small valley right in front of the basket. Land short, and you're putting uphill towards the basket. It's just a simple, change of pace layout. And the most memorable hole on this course that doesn't involve any water.
- The other memorable, non-water hole, but not nearly as fun is #8. It's an uphill, 494-foot straight away hole. Throw straight up the hill. Don't worry about distance, just get up there. From there, including a nice little hike straight up, you're playing a couple shots to the basket through the woods back to the left. In the fall, with the leaves changing colors, this might be one of the most scenic spots on the property.
- More water fun on the back nine. #10 is a stunning backdrop. A 280 foot downhill layout to the basket 25 feet in front of the lake. How aggressive do you want to be here?
- #11, 13, 14, & 15 also all have water in play to varying degrees. Of these, most people will enjoy #14 the most. That's the one you're wanting to throw multiple tee shots on.
- Quality signage and great flow. This was easy to navigate solo.

Cons:

I would change almost nothing on this course. It's outstanding. That said....
- The course does end on a flatter note. Or just perhaps drier. After a great stretch of water holes, it might be hard to match that level. #16 is long and perfectly fine, I guess. #17 is long and relatively simple. Probably one of the worst three or four holes on the course. At least #18 gets you back with a quality ending.
- The most frustrating part of the course might be the ridicously long walk on #14. You're throwing over the lake to the basket, then you're making a long walk around the edge of the lake, back near the tee for #8, and still walking. The walk will be even longer if you didn't see where your disc landed.
- There are some lost disc places with the water. Crosswinds could easily send a disc off line on a couple holes. Consider a small victory if you don't a single disc while playing all 45 holes here. Or, you played way too conservative you didn't truly experience the courses.
- Natural tee pads or artificial turf pads mostly throughout the course. May be an issue if you're trying to get a full run up on a longer layout and/or if the ground is wet.
- Disclaimer I'm making about all three courses. You're a 20 minute drive back into town. Come prepared with the essentials - drinks, food, towels, bug spray, suntan lotion, sunglasses, aspiring, etc.

Other Thoughts:

The NFL is a superior product to college football. But, I'd rather watch games on Saturday than Sunday. That's kind of my feeling of Lions vs Lair.
- I know my game isn't suited for the Lions. I also know I enjoy seeing real chances for birdie. Or easy 3s at worst.
- After playing the 12K foot layout with Lions, this course seems short. That said, even from the short tees, this is still a 7300 foot layout. This is not a short, easy course. It felt easy after Lions. As a stand alone course, it might be viewed as tough.
- Shoot, #1 is a great hole. It's not easy. I hit a tree with my tee shot and ended up in the woods. And I was pleased with an easy 4.
- There are a couple other holes that get lost in the shuffle. #18 is an excellent closing hole. It has distinct components to it. And, it's not in my top 5 holes here.
- I'm from Charlotte. We have good courses here. You transplant this course to Charlotte, it's immediately a top 3 course here.
- The more I'm writing up my review, the more I'm really appreciating its quality. Lions cast such a daunting shadow that almost every course would seem inferior.
- I haven't played enough courses in Virginia to state this assertively, but if this isn't top 10 in the state, I'd be surprised. I've played my share of the state's top courses. This is right up there with those: New Quarter, Greenfield, Mountain Lake, Walnut Creek, amongst others.
- This is a solid 4.5 rating. There is a lot to rave about here. Very little to complain about. I could almost make an argument to make an effort to play this one more than Lions. But, I'm a Saturday kind of guy.
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Monocacy
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Experience: 23.9 years 493 played 75 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Wow. Just wow. 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 21, 2022 Played the course:once

Pros:

Wow, this course is a glorious adventure. Dramatic hills, steep gullies, demanding fairways, and the lake in play on a third of the holes. Wonderful variety of lines, including right, left, straight, up, and down, often in combination. Nice variety of hole types, with woods predominating but enough water holes and open or semi-open bombers to provide excellent variety. Nice distance variety, too, with holes ranging from 189' to 634'. The course includes nine par 4 holes and one par 5.

This course is hard, fair, and fun. Not an easy combination to achieve, but The Lair succeeds brilliantly. In addition, the landscape is dramatic and beautiful, a paean to woods and water. I cannot wait to play here again.

Informative tee signs at the long tees include a hole map, distance, par, and elevation change. Orange-banded, cross-chained baskets were mounted level and caught well. Long tees feature generously sized turf teepads, with a few holes adding short teepads made of carpet over fine gravel (but see cons). I played predominantly long tees, but with wind gusting off the lake I was happy to bail out to the short tees on two of the water carry holes.

Stairs have been installed as needed to get you in and out of steep gullies. Half-log bridges and boardwalks help with crossing streams, gullies, and boggy areas. Directional arrows guide you to the next hole, and black plastic arrows are mounted on spokes under the basket (not very visible, but helpful once I noticed them). Simple benches are available throughout the course.

Ample parking near the payment box, with a practice basket, port-a-pot, and trash can located nearby. Practice basket has putting distances marked out to 60'. Signs to each of the three courses are clearly marked.

Had a very pleasant chat with the owner after my round.

Memorable holes (there are many, so I had to be selective):

Hole #1 lets you know what you are in for at The Lair. A 531' par 4, you tee off over a stream valley, trying to land atop the next hill. Approach is steeply downhill to a basket set near the lake. Challenging, scenic, fair, and fun.

Hole #15 is a 570' par 4 that crosses two lake inlets, with the main body of the lake on the right. For ordinary mortals, drive to the first peninsula and then approach to a well-guarded basket on the second peninsula. The short teepad reduces the chance of turning your drive over into the water, especially when the wind is blowing off the lake.

Hole #5 is only 251', but uphill to a basket set on a small, treacherous plateau almost completely surrounded by deep gullies that are not visible from the tee. I cannot think of another hole quite like it.

Hole #13 is a 515' right-turning wooded hole with the basket on a gravel mound overlooking the lake. Enjoy the scenery while executing a tricky approach and/or putt, both with rollaway potential.

Hole #7 is 379' and significantly downhill, starting in the open and then traversing a narrowing tunnel to a basket slightly elevated on a rock. Fun hole, highly satisfying if you hit the line, and tricky if you don't.

Hole #8 is 494' with the tee shot straight up a steep wooded hill to a fair landing zone, with the basket through the woods and into a field.

Hole #14 throws across a lake inlet, with a choice of long or short tees and baskets. Fun 210' ace run from the short tee, with the hill as a backstop. With wind blowing across the lake, the 276' long tee and precarious basket placement can be treacherous.

Hole #17 is a 609' open bomber, which feels like a relief after a stretch of difficult holes. But even this seemingly innocuous hole has woods right, OB left, and a sheer drop-off about circle's edge past the basket that adds risk to the approach and/or putt.

Cons:

Some of the turf teepads were mounted on wooden platforms, which I preferred. Other teepads (turf long or carpet short) were mounted over fine gravel. Some of these gravel-based carpet or turf tees seemed slightly uneven and affected my run-up. With better teepads, I would probably give The Lair my first 5.0 rating.

Long walk around lake inlets after the tee shot on holes #14 and #15 (but see "memorable holes"). A bit of congestion walking between #16 and #17, where you pass near hole #4's basket and hole #5's tee.

Other Thoughts:

This is a gorgeous site for a multi-course disc golf complex in the Northern Neck of Virginia, a peninsula between the Potomac and Rappahannock rivers. Sandy loam soil supports a picturesque forest of holly trees, tulip poplars, beeches, and laurels. The courses meander through these woods with the lake serving dual roles as scenic backdrop and disc golf challenge. I played during winter, but I would expect the site to be even lovelier during the growing season.

The Lair is a workout. Not a con, just be prepared to hike up and down lots of hills and gullies. Bring whatever water/snacks you might need because the course does not loop back to the parking lot mid-round.

Some risk of disc loss on the lake holes, and you may spend time hunting for discs that land off the fairway. I do not consider this worthy of a con on an epic course like this, but I mention it to be fair.

As of 2/2022 the daily fee was $10 weekdays and $15 weekends. With three fabulous courses included, this seems like a bargain to me. Clearly, fees are being used to create, maintain, and improve the courses.
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discNDav
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Experience: 38 years 437 played 91 reviews
4.50 star(s)

part of a DG mecca! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 7, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

Lake Marshall is a private DG mecca, the Lair is just one piece of it and it's wonderful. The land is terrific with views that remind me of Maple Hill several times throughout the course.

With plenty of elevation playing this course is a 'hike', rarely is there a flat hole. While being heavily wooded, the lines to hit are very fair even for an Adv Grand Master like myself who can't throw 300' anymore, in that aspect, it reminds me of Iron Hill in Delaware. While shorter than Iron it has more up and down. Navigation is helped out with plenty of next tee signs while the tee signs are informative. There isn't one bad or filler hole, each hole is a challenge in some way. The orange Prodigy baskets are easy to spot but not always from the tee due to length or elevation.

Hole 14 has 2 different options over water, pick your poison, 2 tees and 2 baskets depending on your choice. Hole 15 throws over water TWICE! In late Oct or early Nov these holes along with 11 are simply gorgeous.

Hole 16 is beast, you've been warned.

$10 pay to play is totally worth it, they accept Paypal.

Cons:

While the tees aren't bad, some are built up on wooded platforms with carpet and/or artificial turf while others are gravel based. Cement pavers would be better yet I understand that on a course so new and a complex with so many holes that would be expensive and time consuming to build.

There are some short tees on the longer holes but I didn't know which ones until after I teed off from the long tees.

Other Thoughts:

The pictures don't do the course justice, the elevation and beauty have to be seen in person.

I've driven over 4 hrs twice now in 3 years and look forward to returning next time, it's only going to get better.

Print a map from the Facebook page since the Files here aren't up to date yet. Udisc has been updated, see Lair long tees map.

Bring food/water/snacks/lunch with you since you won't want to leave this complex.
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seayhorse
Experience: 27.9 years 22 played 16 reviews
4.50 star(s)

awesome 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 25, 2019 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

Prodigy baskets
Great design - every hole is planned and well designed for modern disc golf
course maps available on site
variety of shots, distances
there are waste baskets place throughout the course.
Porto john available.
it's beautiful out there.

Cons:

as this is brand new, and still under construction so to speak,
tee pads are not yet poured, permanent
there are some tricky spots on the trail

Other Thoughts:

I've played enough courses to recognize great golf. A lot of the old courses are made for recreation and old school disc chucking. This course is designed and built for modern standards, giving a great golf experience. Most holes have a presentation showing the player where each shot should lie to set up the next shot. This is how a good golf hole is done, and it is beautifully done on this course for a great disc golf experience.

There isn't a bad or uninteresting hole on the course!
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CmHover47799
Experience: 19.2 years 145 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Virginia's next Championship level course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 1, 2018 Played the course:once

Pros:

It's on a beautiful piece of private property with great elevation, a variety of shots, well designed, great flow, plays next a lake and it has a 2 basket putting green next to the parking area with markers going from 10ft to 60ft! This course is designed by John Biscoe who also designed Hawk Hollow and if your not familiar with HH then you are missing out! These are Championship level courses that are bucket list courses!!
-2 tees on most of the holes, maybe 1 on the shorter par 3's
-Orange Prodigy baskets on every hole
-private property/pay to play
-carpet tee pads

Cons:

Since it is private property there isn't a maintenance/grounds crew working daily. So it would be a good idea to contact the property owner or someone affiliated with the course to get an update on the course condition. Its not quite complete yet. Still needs tee signs and signage for course navigation. There is course maps at the entrance but no maps/signs for each hole.

Other Thoughts:

If you want to play this beautiful course at its tip top condition then I highly suggest registering for an event there!!! The crew responsible for this course will be working tirelessly to make sure you experience this course's full potential! This is 1 of 3 courses on this property and will be one of if not the best course in the state!!
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