300ft drive + 200ft up shot = competitive anywhere?

[1978]

Unless you compete with guys who play 2s there. And who are you to tell me what I need and not? I mean I am kinda doing the same thing, but at least I am trying to get you to try and achive more. You just want to pull/keep people down.



Again, "competitive" does not mean much. With whom?



Yeah, I am sure there are like half a handful of them. Let's all model our training and our aspirations after those selected few instead of looking at what the top players are doing. Is anyone in the top 20 not throwing more than 300 feet? No? Oh gosh I wonder why that is.



What does the rating have to do with the discussion anyway? And I dont care what kind of chip&putt courses you play on. That they are out there does not mean that you wouldn't benefit from more distance on other courses.




You are not only wrong, you also keep making the same vague statements that I allready tried to correct in the original post. And bring up totally irrelevant points.

What a silly reply. Oh well. 50% of strokes come from putting. That is the singular most important thing. Not distance, distance is third behind putting and upshots. Name me 5 courses where 1 or 2 accurate throws and a birdie putt does not make you competitive. What course is out there that reqires a 500' throw on every hole to yield a birdy. Almost every course that has the necessary 400' toss has 12-15 where only 270-330 is necessary. Competitive doesnt mean you are beating Mcbeth. Who even mentioned the top 20 except you. If you go to a tournament and out of 20 players 3/the top 20 are there and you get 4th...Id say that was competitive. Disc Golf is unlike most sports. You can ABSOLUTLY max out around 300' if you are accurate with upshots and deadly with putting be competitive and also win many local pro tournaments. It is a fact and not debatable. Just because the top pros rated over 1030 throw farther doesnt mean you cant shoot well with out distance. If you are accurate, have putting, and can get out of trouble when necessary, you will finish top 25% in almost every disc golf tournamnet if you have only 300ish feet of distance.

This thread is silly however because 300' is really not all that far... many discs can't help but fly that far so if you are maxing out at 300' you probably have poor form which means you arent all that accurate. But in theory if you were accurate to that distance, yup, absoulutly you would be competitive ie cashing regularly in pro events. Remember: in most pro events most of the players are just advanced or intermediate players hoping to play 1 round with their local hero.

 

[Smigles]

What a silly reply.

Oh yes indeed.

Not only did you not adress a single of my points. You even go on and claim more crazy stuff while talking in absolutes and just claiming that stuff is true because you say so. In caps, and with "its a fact and not debatable"... Why do you even post if you dont want to debate? Not to mention your reading comprehension... It's like talking to a religious fanatic.

Learn how to discuss properly, then maybe you'll get more replies from me.

I said all that needs to be said in my last post anyway. If you wanna convince yourself that your level of sucking is good enugh to be "competitive", then go ahead. It's not my game that is suffering, I couldn't care less about you. Ever notice how only the noodle arms talk about how distance is not needed and try to convince everybody else? Could make you think. Could. But that is not your fortee. So good luck :hfive:

 

[garublador]

What I think is always hilarious about these discussions is that, in general, you're most accurate at <80% of your max distance. So being accurate at 300' means you can throw ~360'. That's right around the plateau you hit without "half hitting" or "full hitting" (i.e. the plateau almost all players hit). If you hit that plateau with fairway drivers (which most can do if they aren't OAT monkeys), that means you can probably hit 400' on a distance line with a faster disc.

So if "all" you need is really good accuracy at 300', then you probably have the capability to throw 400'. Yet people will argue back and forth about how far you "need" to throw without realizing they're both arguing for the same thing.

 

[Brodysseus]

Ha, read through the whole thread, form an opinion, get to the end and go to post... And garu has already said what I was going to say.

 

[DiscFifty]

Unless you compete with guys who play 2s there. And who are you to tell me what I need and not? I mean I am kinda doing the same thing, but at least I am trying to get you to try and achive more. You just want to pull/keep people down.

Again, "competitive" does not mean much. With whom?

Yeah, I am sure there are like half a handful of them. Let's all model our training and our aspirations after those selected few instead of looking at what the top players are doing. Is anyone in the top 20 not throwing more than 300 feet? No? Oh gosh I wonder why that is.

What does the rating have to do with the discussion anyway? And I dont care what kind of chip&putt courses you play on. That they are out there does not mean that you wouldn't benefit from more distance on other courses.

You are not only wrong, you also keep making the same vague statements that I allready tried to correct in the original post. And bring up totally irrelevant points.

Dude..no disrespect intended but the thread wasn't about what it takes to beat McBeth. lol.. Speaking of which...I do watch alot of the pdga videos and on most of the holes, the typical pro drive is only around 350, I rarely see a bomb over 400 and when there is a bomb like that, it's usually a roller or on a very open shot. Is more distance better? Ofcourse! I'm not saying anyone should be content with 300ft max d, but I DO stand by my op that once you can drive 300ft accurately and have a decent up from 200ft, you've reached a level where you can compete at local minis, tourneys, etc, and have a decent chance at placing in the top 5 or so, and once in a while you might even win! And there's nothing wrong with that.

You're not by any chance one of those guys that can throw 450+ are you? Because I play with those types monthly and while it's awesome to see them drive on the few open holes, they have the same problems I do when playing 350ft holes peppered with trees and very low ceilings.

 

[Smigles]

Because I play with those types monthly and while it's awesome to see them drive on the few open holes, they have the same problems I do when playing 350ft holes peppered with trees and very low ceilings.

It's much easier to get a putter straight for 300 feet than to get a driver straight for the same distance. That's another way how distance helps your game, you dont need to throw your max distance disc for what is basically an approach shot.

I like trees They are my friends and good defenders when others throw.

 

[DiscFifty]

It's much easier to get a putter straight for 300 feet than to get a driver straight for the same distance. That's another way how distance helps your game, you dont need to throw your max distance disc for what is basically an approach shot.

I like trees They are my friends and good defenders when others throw.

100% Agreed. :clap:

 

[blackcatsmith]

I've seen the local pro beaten a few times by a local intermediate, I may have even done it myself over the year I've been playing with him. But I've also seen him ace holes I haven't even birdied. He can stand and deliver a putter farther than I can throw my fastest driver with a full run-up. I've played a round with him where he was 14 down with two holes to play. The guy is a beast, but he, like any and all of us can, and do- miss putts now and then. Playing with him, I see not only what's possible, but also the traps I could potentially fall into as my game progresses, as well as what I've learned so far. And what I've learned so far is this: Don't accept where your game is, always be trying to improve, after a terrible round, after a fantastic round, be honest in the critique of the state of your overall game. The more honest the critique the better the technique,

 

[Pwingles]

Lol @ 'a typical pro drive is 350'

What? How can you even quantify that? You sir, are talking gibberish

 

[Disczealot]

Seems accurate to me, he isn't saying that the average max D is 350, but the average necessary drive on most courses is 350. Keeping in mind the shorter holes, and the longer holes that have routes that don't allow long drives.

 

[DiscFifty]

Seems accurate to me, he isn't saying that the average max D is 350, but the average necessary drive on most courses is 350. Keeping in mind the shorter holes, and the longer holes that have routes that don't allow long drives.

Exactly.

 

[LucasP]

Usually for advanced if you can just shoot par, you are going to be competitive. I am very accurate out to about 330 with teebirds and 350 with pds. But my major competitor here can throw 450. I'd say out side of distance we are comparable players. There are just holes where I am flat out shooting for par where he has a legit shot at birdie. So no matter how accurate I am, he pulls strokes on me based on his distance. This said player is also very much in the hunt at am worlds right now.