ALL Mach baskets should be outlawed in pro tournaments!

[JeremyKShort]

Anyone have experience with the Prodigy cargo net baskets? curious how they compare to mach and discatcher baskets.

Really good quality. Extremely sharp looking baskets. They tend to be better for spin putters that really put a lot of power on their putts. You don't get the weird slide throughs, but if your putt is too soft it doesn't push the chains in enough and glances off. I think I like discatchers better, but they're not horrible.

 

[armiller]

I was at a Tournament in Norman, OK in 2005 and followed Nate Sexton and Paul McBeth's lead card in the 4th round. They played a course with Prodigy baskets, and Nate made a couple comments to Paul. I wish I would have played closer attention... but my impression was that they recognize the different performance of different baskets and adjust accordingly. It wasn't so much complaining as just a recognition of differences.

I loved hearing Paul/Nate comment on all the Memorial rounds, including the limited comments regarding baskets. I'd love to hear more from pros on the issue. Seems to me like the baskets (including the Machs) are doing just fine overall.

 

[BrotherDave]

I got it, the answer is so simple. Instead of a basket we use an appropriately sized target covered in hook and loops material. That's right, Velcro. Hooks on the target, loops on the top of the flight plates. Then we can literally stick putts.

 

[Noill]

 

[ODRB]

I got it, the answer is so simple. Instead of a basket we use an appropriately sized target covered in hook and loops material. That's right, Velcro. Hooks on the target, loops on the top of the flight plates. Then we can literally stick putts.

Stickin' Putts? Love it!

 

[ThrowBot]

I was at a Tournament in Norman, OK in 2005 and followed Nate Sexton and Paul McBeth's lead card in the 4th round. They played a course with Prodigy baskets, and Nate made a couple comments to Paul.

This story seems highly suspect. The timeline doesn't add up. IIRC, Prodigy wasn't even a thing back in 2005.

Hole in the ground with a tone pole in the middle that sticks above the ground 4 feet.

This solution would lead to a separate set of problems. First of all, it would be safety hazard. The center pole would attract HeavyCritters' mom as well. Even after you chased her off the course, you'd still have to deal with lingering sanitation issues.

 

[lyleoross]

Smashbox, at about 1 hr 39 minutes, Paul and Nate comment on the Mach X. They are pretty clear in their assessment. And no, I'm not writing out what they said. But if you're interested in this issue, you need to go listen.

 

[lyleoross]

BTW - while I think you can make a credible argument that this is brand loyalty, they don't go down the Innova path. Can't judge, but need to listen and judge on your own.

 

[armiller]

This story seems highly suspect. The timeline doesn't add up. IIRC, Prodigy wasn't even a thing back in 2005.

Oops. I'm not sure Sexy-Beast was a thing then earlier. Would it make more sense if I meant 2015?

 

[ODRB]

Smashbox, at about 1 hr 39 minutes, Paul and Nate comment on the Mach X. They are pretty clear in their assessment. And no, I'm not writing out what they said. But if you're interested in this issue, you need to go listen.

What did they say?

 

[ThrowBot]

Oops. I'm not sure Sexy-Beast was a thing then earlier. Would it make more sense if I meant 2015?

I figured you meant 2015

 

[lyleoross]

What did they say?

Really? They said that Aim has sexy legs.

They talked about the ability of baskets to catch soft putts. The gist is that the Mach X is just too much. It will catch a rocket, but not a softly laid in putt. It's more subtle than that and definitely worth a listen. They showed a preference for the MachV and I think the Chainstars. The last three commentaries I've heard from Paul and Nate have adressed design and basket issues. I think they're saying some really important things. Would love for Steve of Ultiworld to do an interview with them on this topic.

 

[PBokor]

...Paul and Nate comment on the Mach X. They are pretty clear in their assessment...

Koling and Ulibarri also expressed strong feelings regarding targets, especially JK. (28:43 - 43:43)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II_b1lN42k4&t=82s

 

[ODRB]

Welp, I love Mach X baskets. My favorite. We put them in at my home course in 2014, and I have loved them since. Unequivocally. And I do not putt all that hard.

 

[HarkeyPuck]

Chainstars are favorite. But MACH X are good too. The MACH III & 2 MACH II's in my backyard are fun as well.

 

[lyleoross]

Welp, I love Mach X baskets. My favorite. We put them in at my home course in 2014, and I have loved them since. Unequivocally. And I do not putt all that hard.

If you listen to the other link given here, JK talks more about basket structure. He's thinking about how the basket catches and how it relates to the disc. I would argue that discussion is key and important. He actually argues for easier putting, and Uli chimes in with green structure and the comment is on risk reward. I agree. There should be a risk reward process. That is definitely a green design issue.

I will disagree on the spit out issue they raise. Look, a spit out from a bad basket is tough. But a spit out from a good basket isn't the basket, it's the player. Again, depends on spit out. We need to be more accepting of the notion that a player can over throw a basket. Going to be an interesting long term discussion. Definitely a great topic.

 

[tomte]

As a pro you should be able to adapt to different baskets easily. And the rest? We are going to three put anyway...

 

[ejvogie]

Can we please stop referring to Big Jerm as 'JK'? We already have a JK, and her name is on at least 2 molds...

 

[Flick Maniac]

Would it help to refer to him as BJ then? Or did that stand for something else too, cant remember now

 

[ejvogie]

Both parts of his pre-existing nickname have one syllable each. You're not saving any time by saying "JK" or "BJ".