Hampstead
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I have yet to see any McBeth impersonation anywhere near Iron Leaf level Barsby.
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McBeth vs. Climo
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Actually.... I think that seals it for McBeth.
I'm pretty sure the Champ's BAC is 1000 rated right there. :|
broomerang
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Gretzky
Jordan
Climo
No contest. The only difference is McBeth could actually surpass Climo eventually.
Most definitely.
mizunodave
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Climo is Richard Petty.
McBeth is Earnhardt.
Gotta feeling Eagle is going to be Jimmy Johnson.
McBeth is Earnhardt.
Gotta feeling Eagle is going to be Jimmy Johnson.
Got no issues with those picks!
Just cuz I already made the comparison outside of DG; the thinking was Tiger would surpass Nicklaus' majors...
opcorn:I'm done. They're all great.
jeffmonty
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Anyone that's been playing DG for 10 years or more will likely say Climo. Anyone that's played less will say McBeth. I've been playing for more than 10 years.
Also, Crosby is not even the best player in the history of just his team, so Gretzky over Crosby by a wide margin.
Oh, and Jordan, probably. I'm not that much of a NBA fan.
Hampstead
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Chris Max threw a Discraft XS over 700' in 2001.
Who?
Who?
Comparing number of championships won by two players of difference eras is pointless. If everyone suddenly started to play really poor for next 15 years except Weema, and he would then be 15xChampion, would that somehow make him the greatest?
I bet prime McBeth would win prime Climo, but even that kind of comparison is misleading. Given the courses, discs, and competition of Climo's reign, he didn't need to improve beyond what he did, whereas now the field is wider and you need to have more versatile game etc, so Paul has had to keep improving (as he has said himself, Ricky, Eagle etc constantly push him to be better). And of course Paul's technique is at least partly built on the knowledge of previous generations.
I bet prime McBeth would win prime Climo, but even that kind of comparison is misleading. Given the courses, discs, and competition of Climo's reign, he didn't need to improve beyond what he did, whereas now the field is wider and you need to have more versatile game etc, so Paul has had to keep improving (as he has said himself, Ricky, Eagle etc constantly push him to be better). And of course Paul's technique is at least partly built on the knowledge of previous generations.
Perhaps one day, like baseball, we'll draw a line between the "modern era" and what went before. I wonder where that line will be?
As it is, at the moment we could talk about the greatest of this century, and the greatest of last century, and leave room for both.
It says something for Climo's accomplishments that even now, players who came along later might still recognize his name, or join debates like this. Not a lot of top pros from 20 years ago are talked about by players who came after.
Which isn't to say he's the best, or greatest....but he was the most dominant, for his time.
As it is, at the moment we could talk about the greatest of this century, and the greatest of last century, and leave room for both.
It says something for Climo's accomplishments that even now, players who came along later might still recognize his name, or join debates like this. Not a lot of top pros from 20 years ago are talked about by players who came after.
Which isn't to say he's the best, or greatest....but he was the most dominant, for his time.
I got to watch Climo in person at the 1998 DGLO. By this point so late in his career (world championship #9 was soon forthcoming) he was throwing a very advanced long-distance driver, the KC Gazelle, and Hudson Mills was a state-of-the art course, THE place to be in Michigan. Scott Stokely was competing with the even more advanced brand-new XL and throwing it pin-high (but like 75'-100' left) of the original Hudson Mills #4 which was 450' if memory serves. We all thought he threw it to outer space. Both Rico brothers were also on the card. Climo was the only one to deuce the hole by canning a 75-100 footer. He won the tournament. He won the next year's DGLO as well. Stokely again was on the final 9, plus Mike Moser and Shawn Sinclair. I seem to remember Ron Russell in the mix too, but that would make five on the card. Maybe my memory isn't serving me (perhaps Sinclair was on the final 9 at worlds with Dr. Voakes?), but I distinctly remember Russell falling to Climo by one on the last hole (Monster #18) when his drive slipped out of his hand in into the shule on the left and Climo, like a shark detecting blood in the water, stepping onto the tee with purpose and pinning the hole effortlessly, a 375'ish flex line. We all knew he was going to do it just by the look on his face. I'll never forget it.
I'd think if Climo was born instead in 1993, he'd at least be as good as McBeth and Wysocki and McMahon and company today. I wonder how many uber-elite players we'll have in 2040 where each one could be in the GOAT discussion? We're only right now in year #36 of the sport having a bevel-edged Disc (and that was the equivalent of an Innova Aero). The Discraft Cyclone was merely a quarter century ago. Imagine heading to your local course with that or a Gazelle being your biggest distance driver. Try throwing a power forehand with a Cyclone in 1995. That's why not many were doing it. You'd have to use a Whippet or Viper. If Disc Golf were basketball today, it would be about 1929.
I'd think if Climo was born instead in 1993, he'd at least be as good as McBeth and Wysocki and McMahon and company today. I wonder how many uber-elite players we'll have in 2040 where each one could be in the GOAT discussion? We're only right now in year #36 of the sport having a bevel-edged Disc (and that was the equivalent of an Innova Aero). The Discraft Cyclone was merely a quarter century ago. Imagine heading to your local course with that or a Gazelle being your biggest distance driver. Try throwing a power forehand with a Cyclone in 1995. That's why not many were doing it. You'd have to use a Whippet or Viper. If Disc Golf were basketball today, it would be about 1929.
probably been observed before, but: Climo is to Nicklaus as McBeth is to Woods (but without the 'tragic' fall).
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Highly disagree. Woods has 14 majors vs Nicklaus's 18, and has more total wins than Nicklaus.
Climo has three times more world championships and twice as many wins. No contest.
True. If it's titles: Climo. Modern day skill: McBeth.
True. NHL has become a bit more dynamic the passed couple years. Kucherov/McDavid/Crosby/Ovy... take your pick. Games still changed light years from when the Great One retired.
Me neither... just easy to bring up this comparison.
jakebake91
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One thing that always bothers me when discussing GOATS is getting hung up on the number of championship's. Now, granted, this is a bit different for sports like disc golf and ball golf, as they are solo sports not team sports, but if we are just counting rings, Eli Manning is as good as Peyton. Now somebody argue that one....
