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Reminds me of this swing
Disadvantage is that you dont get pulled taut like with a pendulum swing. What loopghost demonstrates just teaches you about the principle of equal and opposite motions for balance, i guess he wouldnt recommend using it as your actual swing.
Yeah it intuitively makes sense. When I did this one I just looked where my leg would want to go to balance out my arm going up.One of the things I liked about this & timothy's above is that it helps you get in touch with the "organic" way your body uses little circular motions all the time for other things, but exaggerates it to an extreme.
This is mostly for Brychanus in light of his comments on Weck and rotational motion. There is an exercise called Windmill or Flying Daggers, done in some Chinese martial arts and Qi Gong. I guess we could try it with a disc .
Reminds me of this swing
Disadvantage is that you dont get pulled taut like with a pendulum swing. What loopghost demonstrates just teaches you about the principle of equal and opposite motions for balance, i guess he wouldnt recommend using it as your actual swing.
Disadvantage is that you dont get pulled taut like with a pendulum swing. What loopghost demonstrates just teaches you about the principle of equal and opposite motions for balance, i guess he wouldnt recommend using it as your actual swing.
I was playing with the relationship between these two drills. I've thrown out of an increasing number of windmill X-steps to help my own form again and am starting to really like how it helps fix several problems in the X-step at once. Then I just see if I can connect the dots with the rest of my throwing move.
The challenge I agree is that it's fairly easy to miss the "tautness" and core loading and all that good stuff on the rear side. If you spend enough time with it vs. Door Frame Drill however, you can eventually notice that there is a way to windmill drill that actually gets you pulled more taut, but it functions more like a Gurthie windmill maneuver overall (not as horizontally away from the target). Pretty cool.
I think the truly circular motion does make it hard to nail on its own however and I don't expect everyone to get it the first time, so I would generally be pairing it with those other moves.
I guess by full windmill you are referring to a windmill arm motion combined with the single step that loopghost demonstrates in his video.I'm still playing around with the extremes between (1) a completely horizontal move that has almost no north-south tilt and (2) a complete windmill to Understand them better. I don't think I'm really saying anything new, but manipulating it in my own moves was interesting.
I played a round this morning and always threw my real shot with my current pendulum pump, then teed off using a complete windmill maneuver.
I guess by full windmill you are referring to a windmill arm motion combined with the single step that loopghost demonstrates in his video.
Have you ever tried doing it in a standstill? I noticed that I would get different loading on my drive leg when compared to the sidewinder dingle arm drill. Doing a stand still with a windmill would load my drive leg with some vertical force which would then translate to tension against the instep driving me forward. On a dingle arm drill I can feel something that is more akin to a resistance in my drive leg that would then release itself when driving myself forward a bit.
Nvm I just watched that one again and there is a windmill version of that drill in the video as well. Simpsons did it first.
Yeah I should be a little more thorough when describing some move. Usually I just type whatever comes to mind.I almost follow what you said after that but can you clarify- what was the difference between "sidewinder dingle arm" and "windmill" - just whether you are doing a full windmill with the arm or not?
Oh gotcha, and no worries, I'm just as likely to be unclear in writing most of the time lmao.Yeah I should be a little more thorough when describing some move. Usually I just type whatever comes to mind.
When I dingle the arm in a pendulum movement my back leg gest loaded southwards against the sideways movement by my arm. I almost want to unload that tension against the instep of my drive leg and start going towards the target again.
When doing the same perpetual motion drill with the full windmill arm movement I noticed that my drive leg gets loaded differently. Firstly I get some vertical load on it which then translate into lateral movement northwards to the target.
So the difference is: pendulum - sideways loading & windmill - vertical loading.
That part is a good thought. I used to think of the movements involved in a throw as something that I would need to max out. So more drop, a wider stance and so on would be better to me. But along that line of thinking I failed to consider balance. So just enough to feel deweighted is a good mark to go off of.I think the tricky thing we were talking about above is what's "best" or finding a "sweet spot." For me or other people I work with, you've got a lot of theoretical options going into the reachback or backswing that are all "acceptable." My own pendulum has always seemed to work "best" when there's a clear phenomenon on the drive side - I need just enough verticality to feel deweighted and "levitated" briefly in the backswing at least so I don't get stuck on the drive foot (athletic walk, run, hop etc). I also need to get juuuuust the right force moving back opposite my shift to get that athletic loading in the core, which seems like 25% of my power (I'm guessing of course, but you get the idea).
So what the windmill helps me (or others) access is that "levitating" part by carrying me all the way off the ground vertically briefly. Because it's circular, it also taps the natural way the hips work in transition like Swivel Stairs. Like, alarmingly well for me, and I've now seen it give a lot of players "ah ha! -s".
I think while learning and probably even more so for adults taking each move to an extreme can help you find the more efficient in betweens.That part is a good thought. I used to think of the movements involved in a throw as something that I would need to max out. So more drop, a wider stance and so on would be better to me. But along that line of thinking I failed to consider balance. So just enough to feel deweighted is a good mark to go off of.
Guess I gotta try this windmill drill by loopghost again. What I focused on when I tried it was just the coordination part of plant leg and right arm. But you seem to find a lot more in it.