paulw
Eagle Member
People running tournaments should make money for all the effort that they put into tournaments.
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People running tournaments should make money for all the effort that they put into tournaments.
Chains, you are almost right. You're forgetting one step though.
Ams get what they pay for. Pros get what they pay for. The ams aren't the ones paying for the pros, it's the the TDs and organizers that are.
Yes, we know the margin that the tournament makes is coming from the Ams, but that doesn't equate to them paying for the pros.
Its simple..... Change ALL of the player fees. Make it Novice, Am and Pro..... Novice 40$ (PP and Trophy to top5) They shouldnt be allowed to play in anything over a C tier.... Am 75$ (PP and cash within the division) They shouldnt be allowed to play in anything over a B tier..Do big Am tournaments regionally that could qualify to play in a "Open" major.... Open 100$ to 200$ (PP and Cash within the division) If the Pro's want more Cash put more in... Look at entry fees in the PGA. Flame on IDK Ill pay 150 5 times a year if it pays down 30 spots. That being said I play up because I like the competition, am I going to go out and beat Will, Ricky and Nikko? Nah but I dont call it donating either its part of the sport! There are ballers in EVERY sport and yes they tend to win when they play well!
It's crazy how the simple fact of a guy bagging has caused all of these offshoot discussions
i think peter shive had it right a few years ago. split the pDGA. a for-profit Pro side and a non-profit AM side. that would allow the Pro side to grow and get bigger payouts. this to my understand is similar to how the PGA does it. it would also allow for the AM side to focus on the AMs. for future growth the two cannot remain one entity.
and much like the PGA does it, you make players have to work their way up through the AM side to earn a tour card.
*DISCLAIMER*
My understanding the the PGA organization as a whole is very very basic, and I may not be entirely accurate.
Well, I would say that I have probably been the most vocal on DGCR about "baggers". I've made it clear that I don't believe it is sandbagging in the truest sense of the word. I call it "bagging" in that it is a douche bag move to keep playing in a division that you always/usually win when there is another higher division in which you are more suited based on a person's proven track record. Rating is only part of this equation.
Also, I'm not the guy that is getting beat and crying "bagger" out of jealousy. Rather, I have already gone through the am ranks, and am expressing this opinion based on my own experiences. If I was jealous, I wouldn't have made the jump to open without bagging the hell out of the major am tournaments. I know that I am not alone in this feeling, as I have heard the same things said on a regular basis when I would attend some big am events, by other competitors. I just happen to be more vocal, and like to use the forums to speak my mind.
I did some thinking last night and realized how much the system really encourages people to stay an Am. Below are the reasons I see:
- Pro entry fees are always more than am entry fees, sometimes more than twice the cost.
- Ams are getting paid in merchandise that can easily be sold and converted into money. I know, because I did this.
- Ams are also getting a guaranteed pay-out at many events in the form of players packs. Those players packs are easily sold off. Pro's usually do not get players packs.
- Having the option of playing both am and pro events (as long as they don't accept cash) allows for a person a greater variety of events they can attend.
- Being a high rated am, you can "bag" am events, and basically be assured cashing in said event.
Honestly, the only fixes I see are:
- ratings cap on advanced (I don't necessarily agree)
- win limit on advanced (win x number of advanced events, you have to move up)
- Trophy only for ams including removal of players packs(remove the financial/material incentive to stay am)
- Level out the pro entry fees.
There must be a way I haven't discovered that all that merchandise gets handled without the TD's efforts. Because apparently the wholesale/retail margin must belong to the players, not the TD. I've got to figure out how that works one day.
I suppose when we prepare and sell lunches on site, we're scamming the players there, too.
Marc Estenfelder was really good at disc golf. I just don't understand why he wasn't allowed to decide where and how he was going to play disc golf just because he was good.