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You are reaching/turning back too early before you plant left foot. Hold your pump forward until you plant left foot.
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I've had this problem forever, and didn't even realize it until recently. I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting enough weight into my front brace foot. This slight lean back will really take the weight off your front brace foot limiting power. I think it comes from years of of throwing too stable discs for your arm speed, so you tend to lean back and throw on a natural anhyzer.Terrible Terry Tate would posterize you and say "you can't come up in here with that weak posture".
SC in tilted spiral 2, would say your chest/pressure cooker lid is lifted up off, instead of chest/shoulders more tilted forward over the disc/swing/knees.
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Be very, very careful with this. There is a combination of something off with your form/grip/swing and angle of releases, and just the wear and tear of practicing and throwing so much. You're probably gripping way too hard and forcing the process. It can take years, sometimes decades, to figure this game out. Finger tendon injuries can become chronic and never heal, and eventually can lead to problems off the course, especially with your dominant hand.I'm still battling a sprained right middle finger, and frustratingly I'm still getting a lot of releases off of that middle finger which is what hurt it in the first place. Seems like that must have something to do with how weird my releases are, but I'm not sure which issue is causing which right now. I have to have my fingers taped up so it's definitely possible that's causing problems, but I definitely had a lot of middle finger nose up releases leading up to getting injured.
Thanks! Is that mainly with the 360s, or everything?I think you are reaching down too low, your disc and CoG are moving same direction instead of counter.
Yeah, definitely hear you there. I am cleared to throw again per the doctor and the finger doesn't bug me when I'm not throwing anymore, but until I figure out how to stop this from happening I'm stuck with fan grip and tape - just too risky otherwise. Just a very weird issue that I've never had until about 3 months ago, wish I could remember how I threw before that.Be very, very careful with this. There is a combination of something off with your form/grip/swing and angle of releases, and just the wear and tear of practicing and throwing so much. You're probably gripping way too hard and forcing the process. It can take years, sometimes decades, to figure this game out. Finger tendon injuries can become chronic and never heal, and eventually can lead to problems off the course, especially with your dominant hand.
I had this happen to me and I'm still dealing with it 2 years later. I'd highly encourage you to back off your training, tone down the tempo and speed on your throws, and start working on throwing with a fan grip with your putters and mids more, that will take a lot of the stress off your injured joint while still allowing you to get reps in and work on your form.
I see the same problem he described in the non 360s too.Thanks! Is that mainly with the 360s, or everything?
I see the same problem he described in the non 360s too.
One of the key lessons in Door Frame Drills, Load the Bow, and Pendulum style backswings is that you are "abandoning the backswing behind you" or "leaving the disc mass behind you." It pulls you momentarily taut against the weight shift into the plant. Mechanically, it's what's responsible for the fascial sling and lat muscle load and the ability to "burst" athletically and accelerate out of the backswing (which is ideally still very smooth).
Watch around 0.08 and go framewise. Simon's arm starts to extend at the elbow and wrist because he is "leaving it behind", and it is getting "pulled taut" against his body mass shifting forward. You can see the edge of the disc become more visible as it is left behind before abruptly his whole arm comes forward. That little bit of action is responsible for a lot of what the core and upper body contribute to throwing.
Now listen to the man himself. Watch from timestamp til about 8:15. "Feel" point: does to me feel like I'm getting stretched out and releasing that tension kind of like a rubber band through the core oblique slings and lat muscle. For some reason some players struggle for a long time to access it.
I work mostly with low backswings and there is a point where you need to find a "sweet spot" where it functions well low (between navel and sternum for most people), but it also needs to be loading up your core against the momentum of your body moving toward the target. DfD and load the bow are uniquely good at working on those optima IMO. I also have benefitted from the same idea with club swings recently.
I see other improvements since I've last dropped in here, keep it up! Agree w/ Nick to be careful about chronic injuries and warning signs.
When you take your arm forward in your first warmup don't let it and your posture swing all the way around you behind the brace. That's probably part of why you're having trouble getting braced on the tilted axis and swinging a bit "over the top" of your brace.
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Same principle:
Leverage & Centrifugal Force are Sideways
Maximum Leverage and Centrifugal Force occurs approximately 90 degrees from target line with the arm extended wide out over your front foot to the side of the tee like a hockey stick hitting a puck to the goal or arm pulled out taut like ball on string releasing to target, and the rear arm/leg...www.dgcoursereview.com
Warning that the first time you get it to "click" in a live throw it's going to feel bizarre + more juice for less effortThanks! I think, if I understand correctly, that's about what I was thinking was going wrong in my throws, I'll try doing that in the drill too.
The kind of bizarre I can get behind!Warning that the first time you get it to "click" in a live throw it's going to feel bizarre + more juice for less effort