Taken from discussion of Haley's misplay on 18 at Mulligans, and whether or not it could be assessed as a retroactive misplay:
This brings up a, perhaps only half-interesting, thought.
Suppose Paige believed at the time she missed that mando, but no one else on the card would/could confirm it. She then plays from the drop zone. Has she misplayed? Yes, I realize the idea that someone would actually call this is so remote as to be ridiculous, but the principle is what I'm getting at, as the principle is what governs how the question is approached in the first place.
This is, I think, somewhat similar to the discussion of lost discs that may be in the OB. What's the standard of evidence for declaring a made or missed mando? What is the presumption? Do the rules even officially contemplate that a mandatory may not be viewable off the tee? Hat about that approach shot triple mando at the fort, what if your disc ended up left of that, but off the tee?
And, as a way to illustrate why the principle matters, suppose there was deep rough on that hole and Paige managed to go deep into it, such that it might be advantageous to play from the drop zone rather than the lie? (At The Fort there was at least one hole where going far enough left to go into OB was actually better than coming up somewhere on the same line, but not going into OB.) Does the player have the right to unilaterally call the penalty on themselves? Or does it need to be confirmed?
A bad lie still needs needs to be confirmed by a second player or tournament official who saw it (without the use of video), per 801.02.E. So I guess in that case you should contact the rest of the group to see if any of them could confirm it?
This brings up a, perhaps only half-interesting, thought.
Suppose Paige believed at the time she missed that mando, but no one else on the card would/could confirm it. She then plays from the drop zone. Has she misplayed? Yes, I realize the idea that someone would actually call this is so remote as to be ridiculous, but the principle is what I'm getting at, as the principle is what governs how the question is approached in the first place.
This is, I think, somewhat similar to the discussion of lost discs that may be in the OB. What's the standard of evidence for declaring a made or missed mando? What is the presumption? Do the rules even officially contemplate that a mandatory may not be viewable off the tee? Hat about that approach shot triple mando at the fort, what if your disc ended up left of that, but off the tee?
And, as a way to illustrate why the principle matters, suppose there was deep rough on that hole and Paige managed to go deep into it, such that it might be advantageous to play from the drop zone rather than the lie? (At The Fort there was at least one hole where going far enough left to go into OB was actually better than coming up somewhere on the same line, but not going into OB.) Does the player have the right to unilaterally call the penalty on themselves? Or does it need to be confirmed?