Hampstead
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Common sense says something can't be more stable than stable. This is worse than the par thread.
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Common sense says something can't be more stable than stable. This is worse than the par thread.
basic sense says definitions matter. i think there is more agreement on par than on the definition of stable.
Common sense says something can't be more stable than stable. This is worse than the par thread.
Yet Hyzer, Anhyzer, are not listed in the dictionary either. We make up terms for our little niche sport, words DO have other meanings based on context as well. But I suppose you wouldn't know that. :doh:
The word nazis are funny.
Ok, troll.
You are the one who gets upset about people using more or less stable when describing a discs flight. What a bizarre thing to complain about.
Ok, troll.
On average the EX mold is more stable. The EL is less stable then the Teebird. (irrelevant)
What if the disc you are describing is Straight as you would use "Stable"? What direction are you going? It's unclear and confusing to the reader. When you write or peak you want to clearly get your message across. Not confuse them.
Use "More stable" fades harder/sooner/or more resistant to turn.
Use "Less stable" Fades less/later/or turns more, etc.
CHART
Most stable .......................................................................... Least stable
FAF Firebird/ Banshee/ Eagle X/ Teebird/ TL/ EL/ Leopard/ Sidewinder/ RR
Using your lingo, which is straighter/most stable a TL or EL? I can't answer that even. If I can't even answer a question for myself how is anyone else suppose to answer it either?
Gripenemy, Neither disc is Overstable nor Understable (discs that fly approximately -1/1), that is the problem saying a straightish disc is either, it's a poor description labeling it as such.
I don't say my beat in Teebird is understable, nor do I say it's overstable. Labeling it as such would be misrepresenting it.
I get what you're saying here, but you're missing my point.
Only talking about one specific disc I.E. a 10/10 max weight Z Buzzz, I would mention its turn and fade relative to my throwing capabilities. When Comparing it to a 4x Kenny Roc I would say _____ has more turn, less turn, more fade, less fade, than _____. Same as we refer to glide. I would also refer to their weights and beatness...context.
(No, I don't on the course to strangers say, my "6/10 Buzzz" but I would mention that I've been throwing it for a years and it's beat.)
A beat in DX Teebird does become understable. A beat in Champ TB tends to become more neutral.
a -1/1 disc is more or less overstable than a ____ disc, or more/less understable than _____. If I'm only speaking about the -1/1 then I would be more inclined to call it neutral, but truly I'd mention it has mild turn and mild fade. How is it so tough to mention the words turn and fade instead of just stable?
The disc isn't overstable nor understable really having both small turn and fade, you can't call said disc say DX Teebird is more understable then the say Champion Teebird. Because the Teebird IS NOT UNDERSTABLE nor is it Overstable. You would be implying the Teebird is Understable and it IS NOT.
So that is your problem. There is no set disc everyone can call the center line stable. It doesn't exist. What is straightISH for Eagle McMahon won't be straight for most others, same on the beginner side.
In reality every disc thrown fast enough or high enough will turn AND fade. Most do naturally as well.
To simplify things it is FAR easier to simply say one disc is either more or less stable then another. Sure you can be more specific as well and mention flight numbers too.
there's no winning an argument where opposing sides refuse to agree on a definition.
it seems most people here define stable as a category meaning "straight-ish". i think it's ridiculous and prefer to define stability as spectrum where stable means more likely to have higher ratings for turn and fade. i think you agree. more stable or less stable should be perfectly acceptable descriptions when comparing discs and i think neutral ought to be the word used to describe a straight disc.
OS....................neutral....................US
<-------------------------------------------
<-----------increasing stability-----------
more stable = moving left
less stable = moving right
also, when used that way the words better retain their meanings even when describing different power levels. it's also obvious what you mean when you say a disc is neutral but not at all clear when you say a disc is stable. but i doubt anyone here is going to view utility, clarity, or precision of language as a good enough reason to change their mind on such a consequential issue.
tl;dr you're preaching to the choir and deaf ears. it's hopeless, give up