Dr.Disc
Eagle Member
Sumone in cali quick bounce a disc off this guys head
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For once I agree with Tacoma
Can disc golfers do a better job of being better stewards of their courses? Absolutely, people in general are ignorant, lazy, selfish, and responsibility shirking a-holes that litter and take public spaces for granted. But we shouldn't place the blame on disc golf, we should blame ourselves whenever a wild space is corrupted regardless of if it's due to a DG course, a dog-walking trail, baseball field, or a new Wal-Mart.
Maybe you should have double checked your spreadsheet before posting because there is a disc golf course on public land in Atlanta.
While I don't disagree that Disc golfer are lazy litterers who take parks for granted... Just based on my own experiences, I think a lot of the litter and destruction of Disc Golf courses is from non-disc golfers. Most disc golf courses are in public parks, and most people that visit public parks litter, not all of them are disc golfers.
We must appreciate Mr. McGary posting his opinion in a thread, and on a forum that is demonstrably hostile to him and his position.
I am not a hunter, but I long ago recognized those who hunt as some of the most conservation-minded folk. Ken should understand that the disc golfers who undertake, almost entirely by volunteer effort, to design and install DG courses are the most invested in keeping the grounds healthy and enjoyable for the greatest number of people far into the future. The alleged willingness to trash a 'natural' area to install 18 baskets is beyond absurd.
I read Ken's writing as being anti-disc golf, essentially. It's a pity. He is not recognizing who his potential allies down the road are.
In a nutshell - the SFDGC was going to take care of McLaren just as we have done with GGP - and the course was only going to take a fraction of the park.
It's also hilarious that he acts like these parks are nature preserves yet admonishes us for wasting constantly used space in a densely populated area. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. These parks are urban, the idea of an idyllic little Yosemite in the middle of a city is nice - if only it were remotely true. His daughters are more likely to stumble across a used needle than a truly wild animal while "hiking" in the city.
Finally, he uses the argument that residents supposedly want many things installed before a disc golf course, and therefore he's in favor of respecting residents wishes, but isnt that contradictory to the "nature preserve" stance? IMO it's a weak attempt to throw up every opposing angle to disc golf specifically. It's not really about preserving parks, it's about blocking course installation.
What would your reaction have been? That I deserved it if I got hit, as someone earlier in this thread suggested?
Mind you, I don't wish you harm, but...
1. You know what disc golf is
2. You knew you were on a disc golf course
3. You are an avid proponent of how dangerous it is, which, I would think, means you think its dangerous
4. You saw them
5. You knew exactly what they were doing and what they intended to do
I'm not defending them or anything...but, to answer your question, yes, it would have been 50% your fault if you had been hit.
Actually at that point I knew very little about disc golf, mostly what I had learned at that course walkthrough. Which was that the course could be "shared" and that we would see little to no impact from it's installation. I was dubious and was simply testing this claim. Which turned out to be false.
Ken
I don't have my spreadsheet handy but from memory, there no DG courses on public lands in Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, nor any of the boroughs of NYC, for starters. Even sprawling, freeway-bound LA has only one, and laid-back San Diego has only one pay-to-play course. In the surrounding less-crowded burbs? That's another story. So as others have noted, these issues are primarily local and should be decided by local residents.