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While you are correct about people being frustrated with discs beyond their skill level, it is different when the manufacturer marketed the discs as for "the rest of us". I know the Boss is certainly an advanced disc, but Innova marketed the Groove as distance for everyone else. I think there would be a lot of less disappointed Groove owners if it was marketed to big arms only. Then all of us weenie arms that got one would have only ourselves to blame, not Innova.
I'm with you on that one.For me it is definitely the Putt'r.
what a piece of ****.
Considering how many unskilled players I see throwing both these discs, but particularly the Boss (yes, the Star and Champ ones), I'd say the bigger part of the blame in this equation is the stupidity of the disc golf consumer base. But that's what happens when you market "badass" to an under 25 male who thinks he's got to have the hottest gadget around, whether it be something for his car, his computer, or a golf disc.While you are correct about people being frustrated with discs beyond their skill level, it is different when the manufacturer marketed the discs as for "the rest of us". I know the Boss is certainly an advanced disc, but Innova marketed the Groove as distance for everyone else. I think there would be a lot of less disappointed Groove owners if it was marketed to big arms only. Then all of us weenie arms that got one would have only ourselves to blame, not Innova.
Considering how many unskilled players I see throwing both these discs, but particularly the Boss (yes, the Star and Champ ones), I'd say the bigger part of the blame in this equation is the stupidity of the disc golf consumer base. But that's what happens when you market "badass" to an under 25 male who thinks he's got to have the hottest gadget around, whether it be something for his car, his computer, or a golf disc.
I really can't blame Innova for capitalizing on that when you've got a never ending supply of testosterone laden boys who seem to have this fantasy that because they're throwing a Boss, eventually there's gonna be a Innova rep coming along with a suitcase full of cash, a sponsorship offer, and two buxom blondes (twins!) who will take him into the woods and do all sorts of libidinous things to him after they see how FARRRRRRR he can throw that Boss (never mind the shot goes OB into a playground area, 30 degrees off his intended line, and decapitates a kid on the teeter totter).
Not sure why all the r-pro boss haters but i have liked this disc from the start. I took it on a wooded course and beat it up bad then took it to the field to see what happened. It still is my longest flying disc. The only thing is it may be a bit more overstable now but thats why i got it anyway.
Well I got it for the fade 3 on it and it seems to fade more now that i beat it in or atleast the last time I took it to the field it did than when i first got it. It wasn't alot but i did notice it and i am a noob so i figure it had to be because i beat it in a bit.you beat an r-pro boss into some trees and it became more OVERstable? that seems opposite of what is normally seen...
I don't really think the Monarch is beyond my throwing capabilities, but I just don't like it. The rim is probably the worst, most uncomfortable rim of any distance driver I've ever thrown. It's supposed to have -4 high speed turn, yet The Beast (same speed and -2 HST) actually turns more and it is a better hyzer-flip disc as well. The Monarch just never did what it was advertised to do....still boggles my mind that people are still writing the Groove and the Monarch.
The Monarch:
Oh what a tricky disc. Throw flat and with a perfect technique and it almost flies like a sidewinder. Goes straight, goes right, then fades nicely left. If you don't have the technique to throw it as such yet try hyzer flipping it. It is by far one of the best flippers around.
once again, don't hate what you can't throw.
I don't really think the Monarch is beyond my throwing capabilities, but I just don't like it. The rim is probably the worst, most uncomfortable rim of any distance driver I've ever thrown. It's supposed to have -4 high speed turn, yet The Beast (same speed and -2 HST) actually turns more and it is a better hyzer-flip disc as well. The Monarch just never did what it was advertised to do.