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Hello
I'm back with a new review and have a couple of questions.
I've been fooling around with a hammer, mostly to have the disc farther away from my upperbody and to get more space in my powerpocket. I can't tell I get particularly more space in my pocket. I also feel I'm opening up earlier and not getting as deep in my pocket? I do suspect I get the disc more behind me when I'm trying to mimic the hammer throw?
Standstill:
This is what I normally do when I throw.
This is me throwing a hammer, I'm trying to have the disc and hammer far away from my upperbody.
Run-up:
This is what I normally do when I throw, or have been for 2 weeks.
This is me trying to have the disc far away from my body.
Notes:
I can tell I'm opening early because of my head, I don't know what is causing this however????? It might be because the disc is getting more behind me in comparison, because the disc is lightweight in comparison to a hammer? Perhaps the hammer drill is not about getting deep in pocket, but have space for the disc to travel?
Throwing a couple of shots in an open field. I'm not focusing on the hammer drill here. Just doing normal me.
I had on throw that barely touched my left nipple:*
Side-by-side comparison. I had on that barely touched my left nipple and the other one didn't
Opinons?
Is the hammer drill about creating space for the disc to travel pass my upperbody and not getting deep into pocket?
I'm back with a new review and have a couple of questions.
I've been fooling around with a hammer, mostly to have the disc farther away from my upperbody and to get more space in my powerpocket. I can't tell I get particularly more space in my pocket. I also feel I'm opening up earlier and not getting as deep in my pocket? I do suspect I get the disc more behind me when I'm trying to mimic the hammer throw?
Standstill:
This is what I normally do when I throw.
This is me throwing a hammer, I'm trying to have the disc and hammer far away from my upperbody.
Run-up:
This is what I normally do when I throw, or have been for 2 weeks.
This is me trying to have the disc far away from my body.
Notes:
I can tell I'm opening early because of my head, I don't know what is causing this however????? It might be because the disc is getting more behind me in comparison, because the disc is lightweight in comparison to a hammer? Perhaps the hammer drill is not about getting deep in pocket, but have space for the disc to travel?
Throwing a couple of shots in an open field. I'm not focusing on the hammer drill here. Just doing normal me.
I had on throw that barely touched my left nipple:*
Side-by-side comparison. I had on that barely touched my left nipple and the other one didn't
Opinons?
Is the hammer drill about creating space for the disc to travel pass my upperbody and not getting deep into pocket?
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You have very little shoulder turn/coil.
Note how far you are leaning over your toes, so you aren't creating much space to swing thru, you are moving your body into the power pocket. Note how Paul is centered on his ankle and body countering behind toes more like olympic hammer thrower. Your body is not countering to the opposite side of the swing.
Focus on this part starting around 4min.
Note how far you are leaning over your toes, so you aren't creating much space to swing thru, you are moving your body into the power pocket. Note how Paul is centered on his ankle and body countering behind toes more like olympic hammer thrower. Your body is not countering to the opposite side of the swing.
Focus on this part starting around 4min.
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First off, I thought being nose over toe was creating more space, but I assume it's not the case in my situation as my upper body is falling over the disc?
In the video you posted, I assume you were referring to the part you talked about taking a shorter final step?
I tried a couple of things:
- I tried taking a wider first step (step before x-step)
- I tried to have my upper body more upright, but it didn't seem right. My back tells I'm about to throw an anhyzer, but instead I'm throwing about 10-15 degrees hyzer.
- I tried to plant more out from my body, similar to Lizotte and I find this to be the best. It seems like I'm able to be a bit more similar to McBeth in your photo.
Sideview - Trying to plant more out from body
Backview - Trying to plant more out from my body
Comparison to my last session, a bit less nose over toe.
Comparison to my last session - Side by side
Looking better?
In the video you posted, I assume you were referring to the part you talked about taking a shorter final step?
I tried a couple of things:
- I tried taking a wider first step (step before x-step)
- I tried to have my upper body more upright, but it didn't seem right. My back tells I'm about to throw an anhyzer, but instead I'm throwing about 10-15 degrees hyzer.
- I tried to plant more out from my body, similar to Lizotte and I find this to be the best. It seems like I'm able to be a bit more similar to McBeth in your photo.
Sideview - Trying to plant more out from body
Backview - Trying to plant more out from my body
Comparison to my last session, a bit less nose over toe.
Comparison to my last session - Side by side
Looking better?
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Re Nose over toes - I like to think of having my whole body stay to the left of my toes inside posture (Inside Swing Drill), while the lower arm/disc swings inside-outside. You had your whole head out over your toes banging thru the wall in Inside Swing Drill. You can do head out over your toes but your rear foot needs to counter further behind your heel.
Doesn't look like you focused on where the power of posture vid is timestamped at 4m12s. The x-step isn't really helping you get the proper sequence as you try to do everything too early before you get in front of your rear foot. And your posture still kills me, you are landing very flat footed on both feet and raising both your elbows way high going into the x-step. Simon keeps his elbows much lower closer to his hips during the x-step.
Your first move or leg kick back is really awkward. You are mostly just moving your leg/foot independent of the rest of your body. When a pitcher does the leg kick back it winds up the whole body. It should be more like a normal soccer kick away from target.
You are turning back early/before you land the left foot xstep and so your disc gets too far behind you/peaks backswing early, and start accelerating everything forward early before you plant. If you were doing Door Frame/Bow Arrow Drills, you would be stuck in the drills way before you could plant your front foot, and your rear foot would be too far north of the door frame.
Video the drills.
Doesn't look like you focused on where the power of posture vid is timestamped at 4m12s. The x-step isn't really helping you get the proper sequence as you try to do everything too early before you get in front of your rear foot. And your posture still kills me, you are landing very flat footed on both feet and raising both your elbows way high going into the x-step. Simon keeps his elbows much lower closer to his hips during the x-step.
Your first move or leg kick back is really awkward. You are mostly just moving your leg/foot independent of the rest of your body. When a pitcher does the leg kick back it winds up the whole body. It should be more like a normal soccer kick away from target.
You are turning back early/before you land the left foot xstep and so your disc gets too far behind you/peaks backswing early, and start accelerating everything forward early before you plant. If you were doing Door Frame/Bow Arrow Drills, you would be stuck in the drills way before you could plant your front foot, and your rear foot would be too far north of the door frame.
Video the drills.
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I've been focusing a bit on timing, look ahead further than what I normally do. It might have slipped a little bit as I've been trying out my form at the course. I would say that my form is "better" on the right side in comparison to left side. What do you guys think?
Videom from the course
What annoys the crap out of me is, is that this is the next hole? The hole is longer, but I try to do the same thing. I don't get why my form changes. It might still be in my head though.
1. I look ahead further at the target, not by much though, but perhaps good enough???
2. I can tell on photo 2 that I'm out of balance because of my rear arm is about to reach for the sky? Is this happening because of overrotating?
Is the main problem turning back early that is causing this or am I landing differently on my plantfoot? What am I doing differently? Or am I doing the same thing on both?
I need to focus on one thing as I'm too slow of a learner, should it be looking further at the target before I turn around?
Looking forward for answer. Thanks!
Videom from the course
What annoys the crap out of me is, is that this is the next hole? The hole is longer, but I try to do the same thing. I don't get why my form changes. It might still be in my head though.
1. I look ahead further at the target, not by much though, but perhaps good enough???
2. I can tell on photo 2 that I'm out of balance because of my rear arm is about to reach for the sky? Is this happening because of overrotating?
Is the main problem turning back early that is causing this or am I landing differently on my plantfoot? What am I doing differently? Or am I doing the same thing on both?
I need to focus on one thing as I'm too slow of a learner, should it be looking further at the target before I turn around?
Looking forward for answer. Thanks!
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I agree the one on right looks a little better, but it might just be a different line, the left looks more like a hyzer shot while the right one looks straighter or turnover.
1. Your first step or kickback is weird.
2. You aren't driving off your right foot/leg with it remaining bent.
3. Your head is too far back/east and then moves way over west in your stride instead of moving straighter down the line while right foot catches it more underneath inline with head.
1. Your first step or kickback is weird.
2. You aren't driving off your right foot/leg with it remaining bent.
3. Your head is too far back/east and then moves way over west in your stride instead of moving straighter down the line while right foot catches it more underneath inline with head.
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Sidewinder22:
Do you have the URL to your video where you do the comparison against me? Thanks
Do you have the URL to your video where you do the comparison against me? Thanks
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There is no video. It's just screenshots.
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I can tell it came out wrong by me. What I meant: do you have a link of yourself throwing, the one you used snipped a screenshot from?
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1. Your first step or kickback is weird.
I tried changing it up today, it seem like I went back to old me however. It's a little bit better at least?
2. You aren't driving off your right foot/leg with it remaining bent.
You mean my final step? Or is this something I should be doing in my x-step also? I tried to have more of an aggressive run-up where I do a bit of a hop in order to have my right foot more straight in my x-step.
3. Your head is too far back/east and then moves way over west in your stride instead of moving straighter down the line while right foot catches it more underneath inline with head.
Good catch, I have never noticed this. I always thought you should be looking at the target for as long as possible. However, I assume we should be looking at the target for as long as possible, but we are only allowed to move our eyes, not our head? This one got me thinking. I tried to have my head more neutral instead of being as much east as in my past. Better?
Comparison to the video I posted a few weeks earlier earlier
Me trying to be more a jumper, this is to keep my right foot more straight in my x-step
The "new" normal me, except I'm trying to keep my head more neutral and more nose over toe in my run-up. Also trying to keep my head more "still" in my run-up
I tried changing it up today, it seem like I went back to old me however. It's a little bit better at least?
2. You aren't driving off your right foot/leg with it remaining bent.
You mean my final step? Or is this something I should be doing in my x-step also? I tried to have more of an aggressive run-up where I do a bit of a hop in order to have my right foot more straight in my x-step.
3. Your head is too far back/east and then moves way over west in your stride instead of moving straighter down the line while right foot catches it more underneath inline with head.
Good catch, I have never noticed this. I always thought you should be looking at the target for as long as possible. However, I assume we should be looking at the target for as long as possible, but we are only allowed to move our eyes, not our head? This one got me thinking. I tried to have my head more neutral instead of being as much east as in my past. Better?
Comparison to the video I posted a few weeks earlier earlier
Me trying to be more a jumper, this is to keep my right foot more straight in my x-step
The "new" normal me, except I'm trying to keep my head more neutral and more nose over toe in my run-up. Also trying to keep my head more "still" in my run-up
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There is some improvement, but I think you need a more radical change in posture/balance and swing. Note how we are doing opposite things with the swing/disc and posture. Your head tilt in the stride kills me, it looks like you want to throw into the ground. I would spend time working on Inside Swing Drill playing around with the rear foot staggering, so that your head stays inside your front foot. If you are adverse to a pendulum, you could windmill the backswing straight up over your head so everything still stays more loaded inside. I don't think you are helping yourself by holding the disc way out horizontally like that. Or you can just keep the disc in the power pocket/center, although I think it's harder to learn that way.
In the backswing/stride - you are lifting your arm(s) and disc up and holding it out so you are fighting gravity and in poor balance/posture and will rotate slow with arms out. Note how my arms are relaxed and hanging down inside posture allowing gravity to accelerate things and everything is in tight/centered allowing me to rotate faster effortlessly.
At release your head is out over your toes and disc instead of countering back away from the disc like olympic hammer throw. So you would get your head tossed and dragged around by the hammer, instead of you tossing the hammer away from you.
In the backswing/stride - you are lifting your arm(s) and disc up and holding it out so you are fighting gravity and in poor balance/posture and will rotate slow with arms out. Note how my arms are relaxed and hanging down inside posture allowing gravity to accelerate things and everything is in tight/centered allowing me to rotate faster effortlessly.
At release your head is out over your toes and disc instead of countering back away from the disc like olympic hammer throw. So you would get your head tossed and dragged around by the hammer, instead of you tossing the hammer away from you.
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I think I'm looking better now? From what I can tell, I'm less nose over toe now in comparison to my last session? However, I don't understand what the issue with my head is, is that byproduct from a posture issue?
I think having the disc pointing down will keep my right shoulder away from creating tension.
Looking forward to see what you think.
Comparison video against myself last session and seabas22
Standstill, working on inside drill and more crunched with my rear foot
Run-up sideview with a pendulum
Run-up backview with a pendulum
I think having the disc pointing down will keep my right shoulder away from creating tension.
Looking forward to see what you think.
Comparison video against myself last session and seabas22
Standstill, working on inside drill and more crunched with my rear foot
Run-up sideview with a pendulum
Run-up backview with a pendulum
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Looking better and this drill shows some issues better.
1. Stance is spread too wide North-South for the amount of Stagger you have. You need to move your rear foot closer to target if you are going Stagger East-West like I'm doing here, more like Ewalk/walking sideways to target. You would be waddling like a Penguin instead of walking more fluid and inline like a Cat or Supermodel.
2. Moving your rear foot closer to target should help with the rest like bending the rear knee more underneath you and shifting the rear hip and CoM back deeper/East into the rear foot. You should feel more like you are walking/falling/sitting/stacking/loading back into your rear leg first. Watch how I do the Walk Back Drill starting at 5m25s. Push your front toes into the ground so that you push your center/head back away/east landing on rear foot, like walking backwards. When you push the toes into the ground it should rebound so your toes get pushed/pulled back up following your center falling back away onto your front heel and rear foot, like you could drag your front foot east on the heel and then stand up on rear foot or change direction on rear foot.
1. Stance is spread too wide North-South for the amount of Stagger you have. You need to move your rear foot closer to target if you are going Stagger East-West like I'm doing here, more like Ewalk/walking sideways to target. You would be waddling like a Penguin instead of walking more fluid and inline like a Cat or Supermodel.
2. Moving your rear foot closer to target should help with the rest like bending the rear knee more underneath you and shifting the rear hip and CoM back deeper/East into the rear foot. You should feel more like you are walking/falling/sitting/stacking/loading back into your rear leg first. Watch how I do the Walk Back Drill starting at 5m25s. Push your front toes into the ground so that you push your center/head back away/east landing on rear foot, like walking backwards. When you push the toes into the ground it should rebound so your toes get pushed/pulled back up following your center falling back away onto your front heel and rear foot, like you could drag your front foot east on the heel and then stand up on rear foot or change direction on rear foot.
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During your video about "Swing drills" at 5:25, one thing that I haven't felt before was this:
"Getting my body out of the way to swing the disc".
This felt really good during my standstill and I tried to do the "normal me", but also get my body of the way. One thing I noticed immediately, it's hard to get my body out of the way with my old posture. I could feel that my upperbody was falling more over in comparison. I guess that is happening because I'm too much nose over toe.
I hope it looks better, because it felt different when I tried to swing my body away from the disc. I'm looking forward for an opinion.
How do I get this into my run-up game however? I could feel it in my run-up game also, but I didn't feel it as good as I did in my standstill throws.
Standstill - Backview
Standstill - Sideview
Run-up - Backview
Comparison from last session and the other session
Is it better?
"Getting my body out of the way to swing the disc".
This felt really good during my standstill and I tried to do the "normal me", but also get my body of the way. One thing I noticed immediately, it's hard to get my body out of the way with my old posture. I could feel that my upperbody was falling more over in comparison. I guess that is happening because I'm too much nose over toe.
I hope it looks better, because it felt different when I tried to swing my body away from the disc. I'm looking forward for an opinion.
How do I get this into my run-up game however? I could feel it in my run-up game also, but I didn't feel it as good as I did in my standstill throws.
Standstill - Backview
Standstill - Sideview
Run-up - Backview
Comparison from last session and the other session
Is it better?
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