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All I can say is playing a course with generous par ratings is like taking a course with the teacher with easy grades. Grateful to exceed expectations, even if they are low....
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All I can say is playing a course with generous par ratings is like taking a course with the teacher with easy grades. Grateful to exceed expectations, even if they are low....
As I suspected, there are still enough good scores to determine par.
Par has been determined there for a long time. Possibly as long ago as 1896.
There was no cause for that comment. I mean, pars do not change outside of the USGA coming in and doing it for their one and only tournament of the year. So, determining par is not a thing. Did they change anything this year? I haven't paid attention.Yeah, yeah, I know the drill: The fundamental immutable laws of the universe don't allow par to be changed after a golf hole is first conceived in the mind of the designer.
Good thing we're not golf.
Anyway, this was a test of how stable my method is in the face of changing conditions, not a criticism of the pars they set.
There was no cause for that comment. I mean, pars do not change outside of the USGA coming in and doing it for their one and only tournament of the year. So, determining par is not a thing. Did they change anything this year? I haven't paid attention.
Instead of "determine", let's say it shows the method can take scores as input and put out a number that would be a good par, even if conditions are harsher.
Steve- do you in theory believe that a hole's par can change due to playing conditions?
Steve- do you in theory believe that a hole's par can change due to playing conditions?
Generally no. For one thing only the TD can change par.
For another, by definition it should not change for (at least weather) conditions.
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Par is the score that an expert disc golfer would be expected to make on a given hole with errorless play under ordinary weather conditions, as determined by the Director.
Hey look, we're back.
Question:
Has golf, at any time over its 500-year history, ever changed par on a course to accommodate changes in play or conditions, or once they've set par they try not too? I know gdub answered this question, but his answer had a modern tone to it, I would like some historical perspective from our experts.
Second Question:
Since the par set by the designer is what you aim at, if we are trying to be like golf, how do we determine where the breakpoints are, such that the hole design has to be changed to make the hole play closer to what the designer intended?
Third Question:
Do we think it is a problem that so many designers in our sport don't seem to be able to choose a par for a hole, then make a hole that plays to that par, if we use the traditional definition?
Different topic:
Since our golf experts tell me that hitting a ball with a stick is harder than throwing a frisbee, is throwing a ball easier than hitting a ball with a stick?
Hey look, we're back.
Question:
Has golf, at any time over its 500-year history, ever changed par on a course to accommodate changes in play or conditions, or once they've set par they try not too? I know gdub answered this question, but his answer had a modern tone to it, I would like some historical perspective from our experts.
Second Question:
Since the par set by the designer is what you aim at, if we are trying to be like golf, how do we determine where the breakpoints are, such that the hole design has to be changed to make the hole play closer to what the designer intended?
Third Question:
Do we think it is a problem that so many designers in our sport don't seem to be able to choose a par for a hole, then make a hole that plays to that par, if we use the traditional definition?
Different topic:
Since our golf experts tell me that hitting a ball with a stick is harder than throwing a frisbee, is throwing a ball easier than hitting a ball with a stick?
Taking another look at U.S. Open after 3 rounds, I find it interesting that even with all the grousing about the course being too hard, the par scores are still happening. What's happening is the extra strokes above par are being magnified.
For example, they said the cost of being in the rough is greater than a full stroke in some places. But, that doesn't mean more players are going into the rough.
The toughness of the holes ranges from an 81.4% chance of each stroke in a series being good enough for par on #2 (the toughest hole) up to a 97.6% chance on #5.
Are you talking about the third round specifically, or the combined scores of all 3 rounds? If you're talking about just the third round and your method is saying it is parred correctly there's something seriously wrong with your method. The setup was utterly ridiculous for the 3rd round.
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