I guess I really don't know what to think. I don't work at Innova and don't have the sales numbers, so I don't know if the Roc is still a great seller or if discs like the Buzzz have deeply cut into Roc sales. Innova was able to raise a lot of money for USDGC with the USDGC Roc program, but the flip side of that was no Champ or Star Roc in regular production. That left Innova vulnerable from a sales point of view. How often have you heard people say they throw "Gateway putters, Discraft mids and Innova drivers?" I've heard it a bunch.What if all the rumors about the newer "Ranchos" not being actual Ranchos, but instead a +? Would you still be throwing Rancho Rocs, scrambling to try to find the older ones, or would you just throw the "new mold"? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ (I can't help it), but I'm genuinely interested in what you may have to say on the matter.
So in the Rancho Roc you have a mold that is best in base plastic during a time when everybody wants to throw Champ and Star. You also have a mold thats main weakness is that it is not a great forehand disc at a time when more and more players throw forehand exclusively. It might not be the sales hit we expect it to be.
So the Roc+ is supposed to be less stable so it can be run in Star and Champ and not be the glideless "power-players only" disc the Champ Rancho is. It also puts more mass on the rim, which should make it a better sidearm disc. To me it just looked like a mold that would address some problems they might be having selling the current Rancho Roc.
The problem for someone like me comes from the idea that the Roc+ will replace the Rancho Roc. For a backhand-dominant thrower like me, the Rancho Roc is just about the perfect disc and I don't want to see it go the way of the Dodo Bird. If the Roc+ is clearly labeled (I'd prefer a huge + on the hotstamp to bottom ink, but that is just me) it's just another disc. If all Rocs end up with this slanted rim, then Hell yes I'm hoarding Ranchos. The DX Roc+ is not going to start out stable enough to cycle like you can with the Ranchos; there would have to be some other overstable mid mixed in there to cover those shots that the fresh Rancho covers. Once you can't cover the whole spectrum of midrange shots with it, the Roc would just be another mid and you might as well throw a Buzzz. :\