Starting from scratch.

[Kennets]

As always, thank you Brychanus! I appreciate you just tagging along on my diary type of posts, lol..

And WTF (excuse my french).

Hershyzer drill.. I have NEVER seen that video - I've been missing out! And you can even incorporate it with a doorframe drill position??

@Brychanus have you and SW been over it in your form thread? Or in anyone elses thread? I need to get working on that ASAP

 

[Brychanus]

As always, thank you Brychanus! I appreciate you just tagging along on my diary type of posts, lol..

And WTF (excuse my french).

Hershyzer drill.. I have NEVER seen that video - I've been missing out! And you can even incorporate it with a doorframe drill position??

@Brychanus have you and SW been over it in your form thread? Or in anyone elses thread? I need to get working on that ASAP

Hershyzer is in my 'greatest drills of all time' list if I had to pick favorites.

Yes. standstills can basically just be striding out of Hershyzer and landing in the doorframe drill.

Hershyzer got me comfortable handling momentum going into the plant even with other problems going on.

It's been a while but somewhere buried back in mine he grilled my posture in it. In hindsight my rear leg was part of the difficulty getting balanced on it but the tips there should be close enough to generally true.

 

[Brychanus]

Oh also since you (wisely) pointed out my head rising, SW's recent tweaks have been getting my body to stay more "compressed" in the plant and my head is staying much more down through the release than before. Focusing on the hershyzer part of the move helps with that too.

 

[Kennets]

I opted to put it in here.

@sidewinder22 & @Brychanus

The chicken hop. Not that i wanna incorporate it into my usual form, but it seems like a great way to stay balanced, get a proper weight shift (ish) and generally something to be tried out for "feels".

Anything you guys wanna add?

 

[Kennets]

Test number 1 of the "chicken hop" :

Its likely the most strange thing i've done in my disc golf journey. I thought i could go out there and just "do it", i could not. I played a "doubles "round where i "bounced" off my pre-step (last step before x step) on one of the drives and did the chicken hop on the other drive.

Chicken hop :

- Requires A LOT of balance, i nearly tumbled off the tee pads at times.

- puts focus on the rear leg and how to get off it/coil into the rear hip?

- im unsure of distance, but i nailed my gaps later on in the round (when i quit throwing my discs into the sky).

Definitely something i need to continue experimenting with. I actually enjoyed playing around with it and i think it got some uses in terms of improving my form.


Note to self :

Foot work, posture and swing thought.

Thanks for reading my dairy

 

[Kennets]

Minor update:

I felt the "heavy hand" today.. for the first time in ages.

After a bad upshot, I got irritated, picked a putter out of my back and just "flinged" it at my target. I felt it instantaneous.

Went straight to the next hole (a 180 pushing bh hyzer), threw 2 putters and then emptied out my back lol. Even though the hole isn't that long, it felt like i barely tried and I couldn't stop hitting the exact same line over and over again.

The throw felt MILES away from my regular throw, like I took my arm out of the equation and relied on my body to aim. Such a strange feeling. Like the disc threw my hand and not the other way around.

If the minor league would get done using the soccer field, that would be great. I need to try it out with some more power behind the disc.


What a great day!

 

[Brychanus]

Anything you guys wanna add?

My hop is pretty vertical, so I just wanted to mention that some people seem to think that you can't downtempo a hop or that you're somehow fundamentally out of control. I would say it just means you haven't learned how to balance a hop yet. You should be able to slow even a quite vertical hop quite a bit for control if you want to by focusing on the balance. The advantage of course is that you get the "free" acceleration from gravity, but you can tamper that down for control shots.

 

[Kennets]

Have you ever tried "skipping" sideways, in an xstep manner?(Not sure if it's the right term). My daughter loves to do it regularly and I tried doing it sideways and I felt like i were about to fall any second.



Kinda like that sideways.

Takes balance and seems like a great way to improve a natural way of moving sideways in general

 

[Brychanus]

Have you ever tried "skipping" sideways, in an xstep manner?(Not sure if it's the right term). My daughter loves to do it regularly and I tried doing it sideways and I felt like i were about to fall any second.



Kinda like that sideways.

Takes balance and seems like a great way to improve a natural way of moving sideways in general

Yes, I actually do this as part of my warmup forward, backwards, and sideways and for me it makes a big difference from the very first throw. People use it in baseball warmups often too!

 

[Brychanus]

I'm sure you've seen these before but might help get things cooking.

This one is great of course and is just a repeating X-step in good posture.

I warmup by making this thing "hoppier" and just get more vertical to get my legs warmed up and springier than they usually are. I also do "grapevines" sometimes crossing rear foot in front and then behind just to help my body get used to controlling its balance in all directions.

 

[Kennets]

Foot work is still sketchy, but..

Im in dire need of help with my swing plane. I can't fucking get into a "hyzer tilt". It seems like my shoulders stays completely level and the posture going into the plant are SO stif.

Im starting to feel "the heavy" hand but my god my disc are so nose up, that i sometimes feel i would get 200 feets of distance if I were to fix it.

First picture is a full run up, two next are OLD (where I still couldnt get a decent swing plane)

Send help...


On the bright side, I discovered 360's today. 2 hours later, I were drenched in sweat, but it were probably the most fun I've had doing field work in years

 

[Nick Carroll]

It looks like your upper arm collapses a little bit, but not much. That can elevate the shoulder some, and cause a slight swoop in the swing plane. I realize this pic is taken from a slight angle, and it's not perfectly level, but this particular issue causes me to have a nose up throw. That said, you do a better job than I do on a host of things, and I'm not a coach.

Side note: you may want to watch the Overthrow and DG Spin Doctor videos that came out today. I think the first half of the OT video and the first point in the DG Spin Doctor video might be applicable to your concerns here on swing plane and focus on the arm during the throw.

 

[Kennets]

Thanks for your answer nick and youre right! My whole upper body posture lacks and i collaps my throwing arm and Swoop out of the pocket.

Im gonna give those a look a little later today!

 

[Nick Carroll]

Yeah the thing to remember is: for some people, when that upper arm has an angle that's more acute than 90 degrees or so, the arm compensates by rotating to get more distance past the body. In turn, the elbow comes down, and often the shoulder elevates as a response. I'm actually working on a short video on this, because I think for some people like me (who maybe think similarly) we have to have specific cues or tips to get us to change our form.

In my case - and I'm not speaking for anyone else - I've tried focusing more on the shoulder and upper arm, to the elbow, and making sure I'm 100% moving the arm. I have a tendency to do the following:

1) in the backswing, the arm reaches back faster than the shoulders rotate. So that's what causes the more acute angle.
2) at the peak of my backswing, the arm reaches it's farthest point BEFORE my lead foot plants.
3) in the swing, the shoulders initiate the swing, the arm lags behind, so it gets somewhat pinched by the torso.

So I have this problem throughout the backswing and swing. I've been doing some concentrated work to deal with this, but it's not easy. The main thing is realizing I have to control the arm, so I've a) slowed my backswing and swing down to where I can focus on it better, and b) I'm using a Glitch and video to help me gauge my work on it.

By keeping the upper arm from going inside 90 degrees from the torso is that it minimizes (to outright prevents) the arm from externally rotating. That is what causes the elbow to come down and the shoulder to come up, and therefore the swooping path of the disc in the hand during the swing, and it's eventual nose-up release.

 

[sidewinder22]

Foot work is still sketchy, but..

Im in dire need of help with my swing plane. I can't fucking get into a "hyzer tilt". It seems like my shoulders stays completely level and the posture going into the plant are SO stif.

Im starting to feel "the heavy" hand but my god my disc are so nose up, that i sometimes feel i would get 200 feets of distance if I were to fix it.

First picture is a full run up, two next are OLD (where I still couldnt get a decent swing plane)

Send help...


On the bright side, I discovered 360's today. 2 hours later, I were drenched in sweat, but it were probably the most fun I've had doing field work in years

Send Video

 

[Kennets]

I've never felt more uncoordinated in my entire disc golf journey.

It seems like I'm going backwards.

Not sure if OLD with a hammer would suit me better these days.

 

[sidewinder22]

Walk Back Drill Post #2:

Elephant Walk Drill

Drill to help make weightshift and swinging as easy as walking. This drill really helps on uphill tees or lies like this hole where walking targetward makes it hard to get forward balanced on front leg. If you are walking sideways along with the hill then it is easier to shift forward and...

www.dgcoursereview.com

 

[Kennets]

I'm a little slow..

Should I treat it like a reverse elephant walk? In terms of swinging the arm in a pendulum? (Swing when foot is planted).

Should I do it with a hammer?