Starting from scratch.

Kennets

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(i had another form thread, but at that moment, i were dealing with major pain and injuries.)

Hi guys! After not being able to work on form and rarely playing because of stenosis/arthritis in the last 14 months, I'm able to put some "power" on the disc again. I can't do 500 reps daily, but powering down while doing drills is possible (hopefully).

https://youtu.be/xdRKotwhjOw

My form, timing and generally flexibility/fluidity is out of the window after my hiatus.

Glaring issues that really bugs me;

- footwork : when i try to stride longer into the plant, i throw sky rollers (lol). My front leg looks stiff and I'm having a hard time here in general.

- Coiling: i can't help but coil way to early. I've tried to do hammer drills, Elephant walk etc, but every time I try to throw a disc, I'm back at status quo.

- my swing. I have a huge tendency to collapse and spin out.

- posture!!!!: This is something i struggle with big time, i lean, duck and weave, crouch, i nearly feel like I'm doing a cartwheel sometimes..

Timing: just look at the video

Whenever i film myself swinging a bat or a heavy object, i actually have decent form, i just can't translate it, in to the disc.

I'm not looking for 500 feet's, but i would love to get a clean form, that's gonna give less strain on my neck, so I'll be able to play rounds here and there.

(Sorry brychanus for ditching the last thread where you gave some great insight on my form)

Tia!
 
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1. No apologies necessary, though I'll share the previous link because history can be relevant. Are neck/back issues still the main pain points?

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142418

2. "striding longer into the plant." This might be what you mean, but just wanted to check: many top throwers are actually spending more time accelerating over the drive leg with a shorter plant stride. Getting used to that is pretty hard for most people (me too). Leading me to...

3. Based on how you're moving overall, I'm curious how you will look if you try Sidewinder's Ride the bull move and posted it. I think you're kind of getting your posture trapped between your feet "pretzeling" up more more than you should without much of a tilted body axis, so I'm wondering if we can break that and replace it with something else. You basically want to stride out of the x-step into this move.

The more I work on this the less neck & back strain I've had FWIW. If you get this move right it will feel completely different than what you're doing there. You can start small and take it bigger.

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1. No apologies necessary, though I'll share the previous link because history can be relevant. Are neck/back issues still the main pain points?

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142418

2. "striding longer into the plant." This might be what you mean, but just wanted to check: many top throwers are actually spending more time accelerating over the drive leg with a shorter plant stride. Getting used to that is pretty hard for most people (me too). Leading me to...

3. Based on how you're moving overall, I'm curious how you will look if you try Sidewinder's Ride the bull move and posted it. I think you're kind of getting your posture trapped between your feet "pretzeling" up more more than you should without much of a tilted body axis, so I'm wondering if we can break that and replace it with something else. You basically want to stride out of the x-step into this move.

The more I work on this the less neck & back strain I've had FWIW. If you get this move right it will feel completely different than what you're doing there. You can start small and take it bigger.

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I knew i could rely on you! I appreciate it

It's the upper neck, it's getting better, but at a slow rate

Dangling heavy objects is a no go (except for a few reps)

2. Yeah, you are right. It feels like my last stride is not carrying momentum into the plant. It's hard to explain, but it feels "off". SW's gas pedal (something?) actually gave me a better feeling just doing the drill and shadow throwing. Work in progress.

3. I have NEVER done that drill and I'll be amazed if i get it right the first 600 times . I'll be right back with a video, if i can find something to "ride".

This is what i need for my thick dense head.

I have an easy time seeing what's wrong, but muscle memory is HARD to correct
 
I have an easy time seeing what's wrong, but muscle memory is HARD to correct

I heard that my man.

Yes, no need to swing a heavy thing for now.

I think we want to get your whole body moving and shifting better and let the arm follow for now.

It's going to be hard to get right at first I predict for you so we can point other things out if you get stuck.

I started doing ride the bull months ago and still mix it in. I usually space it out at least a couple days apart since it's as much an exercise as it is a drill and can make you sore. I am always finding new little advantages with it.
 
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Could you elaborate some more on the drill? I have next to no idea what I'm doing here, other than i feel like Harry Potter, flying on a broom.
 
https://youtu.be/W4kJjDH5Zdg

Did some can-can in the beginning, straight out of a cold plunge and heading for work, stiff as a board and got no clue what im supposed to do, lol.

Harry Potter wouldn't be very good at disc golf if he didn't shift his body mass back and forth like Sidewinder:

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Your body needs to swing back and forth letting the pool cue move in that direction. Your body should feel like a big heavy pendulum swinging back and forth under your head.
 
Harry Potter wouldn't be very good at disc golf if he didn't shift his body mass back and forth like Sidewinder:

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Your body needs to swing back and forth letting the pool cue move in that direction. Your body should feel like a big heavy pendulum swinging back and forth under your head.

Thanks a ton for taking your time explaining (told you i could be dense at times), i REALLY appreciate it bud.

Being way too busy these days, but i spend some time trying to figure this out. I reckon it's like "swaying" back an forth (rocking a baby?)? When i implement it in an xstep (slowmotion) i get the sensation on falling in to the plant - literally like I'll fall, lol. Am i on to something? Gonna post a video later today, when I'm back from work
 
Quick update. Neck have been stressed after getting back to work and I'm moving in a few weeks. My focus is at "riding the bull", doorframe drills (from time to time) and trying to sharpen the footwork. Just "light" work, until i feel like throwing again..

Using the picture of SW for reference when comparing the videos of myself. When i feel like I'm on to something, I'll post ride the bull drill, along with the doorframe drill.

It's SO hard to change muscle memory, i really need to exaggerate the motion and i barely see any change.. ****it
 
So, i haven't been working on form for a loog time, but now is the time!

I've been seeing a ton of specialists regarding my chronic neck pain (and lower back) and it's something that Probably won't go away, but there's good and bad days.. enough of that.



After SW put out his new drill, I've been trying different stuff.

The above throw, is a Roc that went 330 (slight nose up, flat ish) Even though I get decent distance with a windmill 1 stepper, it doesn't feel "good".

I'm having a lot of issues, but I'll list what I find the most problematic with this particular drill/throw.

- angle integrity: this is something that bothers me all the time, with every throw. It seems like I collapse somewhere and it ends up effecting my leverage in my arm.

- closed/open shoulders. As above.. I end up spinning out too much.

- strong arming (might be due to the above). My shoulder is soar as hell after a field session.

I'll stick to standstills or one steppers for now - I wanna get consistent with my mechanics before moving on.
 
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So, i haven't been working on form for a loog time, but now is the time!

I've been seeing a ton of specialists regarding my chronic neck pain (and lower back) and it's something that Probably won't go away, but there's good and bad days.. enough of that.



After SW put out his new drill, I've been trying different stuff.

The above throw, is a Roc that went 330 (slight nose up, flat ish) Even though I get decent distance with a windmill 1 stepper, it doesn't feel "good".

I'm having a lot of issues, but I'll list what I find the most problematic with this particular drill/throw.

- angle integrity: this is something that bothers me all the time, with every throw. It seems like I collapse somewhere and it ends up effecting my leverage in my arm.

- closed/open shoulders. As above.. I end up spinning out too much.

- strong arming (might be due to the above). My shoulder is soar as hell after a field session.

I'll stick to standstills or one steppers for now - I wanna get consistent with my mechanics before moving on.

I might suggest spending time on some of the drills and moves that emphasize rear-side coiling and landing "stacked" in the plant - door frame drill, Load the bow, reverse stride.

Even if you start or take a windmill through a high backswing, you want the posture intact coming into the release with the leading shoulder lower than the rear shoulder, and the posture overall deeper more like an NFL tackle, battering ram, shoveling snow, etc. Ricky's doing all that here:

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With the neck and back, I'm not a physician but generally issues there lead to compensating elsewhere. So I'd probably take it easy for a bit encouraging your body to develop what you need to get balanced and coiled back more like Ricky there.
 
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I actually tried different ways to get in the right posture/striding into the plant with the lead shoulder lower (my mental cues is battering ram/shoveling) and I just couldn't get it to work today when "windmilling".

With the downward force from the windmill and a "rocking the hips" motion, things went sideways pretty quick.

I'm gonna work on doorframe drill the next couple of days before a new field session.

Thanks brychanus!
 
I actually tried different ways to get in the right posture/striding into the plant with the lead shoulder lower (my mental cues is battering ram/shoveling) and I just couldn't get it to work today when "windmilling".

With the downward force from the windmill and a "rocking the hips" motion, things went sideways pretty quick.

I'm gonna work on doorframe drill the next couple of days before a new field session.

Thanks brychanus!
Watch your knees when you set up.

You drop down with the knees leaking forward.

Focus more on hinging back at the hips in the setup. Start with knees maybe a little straighter than you have them there.
 
Yeah from the setup you are in quad dominant knee bend position, instead of hammy/glute dominant hip hinge position and then you lead by reaching the foot out instead of leading with your center.
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So, I did actually what you said not to do, in the video.. Jesus.. any mental cues to hinge from the hips? Butt out? "Sit in to the throw"?

Thanks for your inputs guys, I appreciate a ton
 
So, I did actually what you said not to do, in the video.. Jesus.. any mental cues to hinge from the hips? Butt out? "Sit in to the throw"?

Thanks for your inputs guys, I appreciate a ton
Maybe:

1. Stand taller more relaxed.
2. Make sure you hinge back at the hips. This motion isn't ideal in other ways, but exaggerate yours more in this direction. Notice he's talking about not letting the knees get out of leverage.




3. When you transition out of the backswing to throw, you might also benefit from this move.
 

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