"The Method" by Brian Weissman

[Sheep]

The problem with methods, theories and all that stuff is. Well.

Doesn't matter.

You have to push with the cock you got so they say.

... Though I'm not sure what women are supposed to do in that scenario.


Everyone is built different, everyone is going to throw different, their flexibility will only go so far, they can only loose so much weight they can only do and get as far as THEY are willing to put the time into.

Hence my comment about Bearbite. That dude has lost weight disc golfing for starters. But... He crushes. Dude would murder almost all of us in here on the course throwing upside down tilts.

And we want to sit here and discuss something like "oh mobility and strength training are way more important."

Nah. What's important is learning your body and what its capable of, and applying a great attitude on top of it to achieve success.

So while all these threads and tests are cool on random weird finger grips, they ignore the key point, That doesn't work for everyone, you have to help people build what works for THEIR body, not yours.
All these theories. Cool story. It's not going to work for everyone. Just like this weird ass method of throwing isn't going to work for 99% of people out there.

People need to stop building systems off of themselves, and start building systems and theories on what they can build with others.

So your tech disc data means nothing to me, cause its you throwing it.
Your method means nothing to me because it worked for you doesn't mean it will work for any of my students, especially with as aggressive as it is.

What does work is me building a plan with each of my individual students based around their mobility and athletic nature and growing from there.

How it works in other sports doesn't necessarily fit the bill here in disc golf, and that's what makes it so unique from a teaching perspective.

I can just teach you the natural golf method in ball golf and have you playing decent golf in 30 minutes. (minus putting)

30 mins of teaching in disc golf and you're... doing something. Depending on your current athletic ability. There is just to many overall factors to make it easy. then we make it harder with all this other silliness.

We spend way to much time working on theories vs trying to work together to come up with real proven solutions where you can walk up to anyone struggling and go "this is the best way to figure this part out for you." and they immediately improve.

That's why my grip thing isn't out yet. I'm still working on it with random folks on the course. And I'm watching it work for them immediately. I'm not making up random numbers and putting them on my hand, or doing this other weird stuff. I'm looking at actual real people use a technique to find their grip that works with their body so they can throw better.

 

[Brychanus]

The problem with methods, theories and all that stuff is. Well.

Doesn't matter.

You have to push with the cock you got so they say.

... Though I'm not sure what women are supposed to do in that scenario.


Everyone is built different, everyone is going to throw different, their flexibility will only go so far, they can only loose so much weight they can only do and get as far as THEY are willing to put the time into.

Hence my comment about Bearbite. That dude has lost weight disc golfing for starters. But... He crushes. Dude would murder almost all of us in here on the course throwing upside down tilts.

And we want to sit here and discuss something like "oh mobility and strength training are way more important."

Nah. What's important is learning your body and what its capable of, and applying a great attitude on top of it to achieve success.

So while all these threads and tests are cool on random weird finger grips, they ignore the key point, That doesn't work for everyone, you have to help people build what works for THEIR body, not yours.
All these theories. Cool story. It's not going to work for everyone. Just like this weird ass method of throwing isn't going to work for 99% of people out there.

People need to stop building systems off of themselves, and start building systems and theories on what they can build with others.

So your tech disc data means nothing to me, cause its you throwing it.
Your method means nothing to me because it worked for you doesn't mean it will work for any of my students, especially with as aggressive as it is.

What does work is me building a plan with each of my individual students based around their mobility and athletic nature and growing from there.

How it works in other sports doesn't necessarily fit the bill here in disc golf, and that's what makes it so unique from a teaching perspective.

I can just teach you the natural golf method in ball golf and have you playing decent golf in 30 minutes. (minus putting)

30 mins of teaching in disc golf and you're... doing something. Depending on your current athletic ability. There is just to many overall factors to make it easy. then we make it harder with all this other silliness.

We spend way to much time working on theories vs trying to work together to come up with real proven solutions where you can walk up to anyone struggling and go "this is the best way to figure this part out for you." and they immediately improve.

That's why my grip thing isn't out yet. I'm still working on it with random folks on the course. And I'm watching it work for them immediately. I'm not making up random numbers and putting them on my hand, or doing this other weird stuff. I'm looking at actual real people use a technique to find their grip that works with their body so they can throw better.

I think it's great and healthy in the long run for people to be interested all the way from the deepest level of theory to the simplest of teaching tools and ideas.

If we're saying that different people will do each of those things to different degrees and everywhere in between for the sake of progress, I'm the first to rush to agree in the same way that I will always encourage people to talk it out, compare and contrast, and show and share.

Would probably solve a lot of problems, disc golf or otherwise.

 

[Putt for D'oh]

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Everyone is built different, everyone is going to throw different, their flexibility will only go so far, they can only loose so much weight they can only do and get as far as THEY are willing to put the time into.
*SNIP*
We spend way to much time working on theories vs trying to work together to come up with real proven solutions where you can walk up to anyone struggling and go "this is the best way to figure this part out for you." and they immediately improve.

First part is part of what sold me on SW here years ago. Yes he's looking at some ideals when evaluating videos people submit but will also look to compare with a pro with good form that has a similar body type and movement as the person asking for critique. Not showing a video of Eagle McMahon and telling someone built like 10 years ago GG to do what Eagle does.

The biggest hurdle in this second part, what can we do quickly to get someone throwing well in 30 minutes or whatever. Is, to ALSO not start them down a path that needs to be unlearned once the plateau with the quick and easy. The whole reason I found this forum and dove down the form rabbit hole wasThis Video
I pulled the hell out of a lawn mower. But a few months of that has taken years to unlearn.

 

[Nick Carroll]

Yeah the video you mention was one of the first ones I saw when I wanted to learn how to throw properly, and that "lawnmower" tip basically taught me to have my elbow down low and I threw largely all-arm ever since. Really what a lot of those beginner videos did was leave out a lot of stuff like keeping the throwing elbow up, orienting the different body parts, how to use the off arm, planting then throwing, and so forth.

The video "Put for D'oh" mentions above:

 

[jupiterboy]

I think you've got to be able to see form before you can learn. I think every advance I've made is because I've been able to perceive something that I was previously looking at but couldn't really see.

Part of the issue I have is having to run down so many red herring tips that are ultimately hurting more than helping. I guess you don't know until you try.

 

[Brian Weissman]

Hey guys! Back in February I posted a teaser for my docuseries on /r/discgolf, to an interesting reception. While the post got a ton of traction and racked up over 120,000 views behind the scenes over two days, it also got an avalanche of negative criticism. I got called everything from a cult leader to an autistic cocaine addict, hopped up on steroids and TRT. If you didn't know better looking at it, you'd conclude the entire community was aligned against The Method project. But the dashboard stats told a different story.

Despite the concentration of negative comments at the top, the post had an 84% positive upvote rate. Even though Reddit's algorithms create a big selection bias for negative comments, most of the people who saw the post liked it. I got many private messages about the system after I posted it, both on Reddit and on Youtube.

I know I did myself little social credit by leading with a link to a hyperbolic and frenetic clip about grip. That was a deliberate choice, as the best way to drive algorithmic engagement is by fomenting controversy. Sadly we live in a PvP world these days, particularly online, where you can get a ton more interest if you piss people off and get on their nerves. I hate it, but it's just the nature of the beast.

The tone of the docuseries is completely different, as I'm sure you'll see if you watch any of the videos. It's meant to be equal parts instructive and entertaining. It's a celebration of joy, learning, fun and community. Nothing about it is confrontational. Fundamentally, chapter one of the series isn't intended for the veteran and discerning audience on this forum. That's part of the reason I never came over here to participate in the conversation.

The good news is that chapter two is already well under way. We've begun production on that section, with the intention to film in August. Unlike our original shoot in Seattle, which took 10 days, we'll be hopping around the country visiting various students of mine. Currently we intend to be in Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nebraska, and Arizona. There is probably enough time to visit one or two other locations.

Chapter two is called "Adding Momentum". It intends to take people learning the system to the next level of their growth, moving from a stable standstill frame to a mobile one. My own form has massively evolved since we shot the documentary in October. As I've mentioned already in a different thread, I could only feel the proper sequencing and heavy leverage when I was stationary. Everything immediately fell apart the moment I started moving.

It's a totally different story now. I know I posted this in my announcement thread yesterday, but I'll link it again.

70 MPH Backhand Into the Net

My brain is still syncing the force production up to the spiking inertial mass of the disc, but it is trained perfectly on the weight of just my throwing arm. I think it would be harder to sequence better than what you see here:

Leveraging Just the Arm

I've browsed through this entire thread since it began in February, and rather than answering old inquiries, I figured I'd open things up to anyone who still wants to chat. Thank you all for your time, your passion and for your feedback. We all have the same goal here, we are collectively making a ton of progress elevating the sport!

Sincerely,

Brian Weissman

 

[zontar]

I think I'd rather play mediocre disc golf and read a good book instead, but that's me.