The Zero Poll

zenbot · Dec 28, 2009

Praise Tim!

cydisc · Dec 28, 2009

Beable said:
I completely agree with this. Use the whole scale provided by Tim.

That depends on if you think it's a quantitative scale or a qualitative scale.

-Do you take all the courses in the world and decide that the worst 10% get zero discs and the top 10% get 5?
-Or do you have a set of criteria to measure the courses and those that don't register on any level get a zero and those that deliver at all levels get a 5?

I prefer the latter. This better rates the course on its own merits rather than how it relates to others.

cydisc · Dec 28, 2009

Additionally, I believe that 0 and 5-disc courses are out there. I just haven't played them yet.

Beable · Dec 28, 2009

cydisc said:
That depends on if you think it's a quantitative scale or a qualitative scale.

-Do you take all the courses in the world and decide that the worst 10% get zero discs and the top 10% get 5?
-Or do you have a set of criteria to measure the courses and those that don't register on any level get a zero and those that deliver at all levels get a 5?

I prefer the latter. This better rates the course on its own merits rather than how it relates to others.

The latter as you've described it essentially shortens the scale by one. I'd rather that courses that don't register on any level (what does this even mean?) are not listed on the site.

zenbot · Dec 28, 2009

I'm going to start adding parks that don't have courses so I can give them a zero.

Arroyo Verde Dog Park

Pros: None
Cons: No baskets or tee pads. Dog crap everywhere despite signs posted for owners to pick up after their animals.
Other thoughts: Many of the dogs and their owners seemed confused that I kept throwing discs. I was unable to complete my round after an errant drive nailed a pit bull.

cydisc · Dec 28, 2009

Beable said:
The latter as you've described it essentially shortens the scale by one.

How so? Just because there might not be any points populating that extreme end of the scale doesn't mean there won't be in the future.

Beable said:
I'd rather that courses that don't register on any level (what does this even mean?) are not listed on the site.

What I mean is, the course, while it does exist, has no redeeming value.

An example of a hypothetical course that I might give zero discs would have all of the following attributes:
-Located in a high-crime area
-no tee signage
-baskets in complete disrepair
-many crossing fairways or conflicts with other park facilities

Beable · Dec 28, 2009

cydisc said:
How so? Just because there might not be any points populating that extreme end of the scale doesn't mean there won't be in the future.

What I mean is, the course, while it does exist, has no redeeming value.

An example of a hypothetical course that I might give zero discs would have all of the following attributes:
-Located in a high-crime area
-no tee signage
-baskets in complete disrepair
-many crossing fairways or conflicts with other park facilities

I can't argue with that.

ERicJ · Dec 28, 2009

srm_520 said:
Mason Park - http://www.dgcoursereview.com/reviews.php?id=1523&page=1&mode=rev#7396

My only 0 rating. I used it because - while you can technically still throw some discs at a few baskets - the course itself is basically unplayable anymore. Basically, I would use a 0 rating for any course that still exists but already has one foot in the grave. Mason Park - you are that 0.

Strange enough - that is the course I have received the most votes on, not the ones I gave 5 stars. hmmmm.....

was waiting for someone to bring up Mason Park, perfect example of a course that deserves a zero-star rating.

tmahan · Dec 28, 2009

I voted yes, you never know if they're going to bring back The Happy Banana.

Jimb · Dec 28, 2009

Based upon the diefinition of a 0 rated course on this site, a 0 rated course = abysmal (immeasurably low or wretched according to Merriam Webster's). I've played bad courses, but never a wretched course. But some of the reviews referenced in this thread indicate to me that wretched, or 0 courses, do exist.

And each level of rating wouldn't have to represent 10% of the courses or anything like that. I don't remember much about statistics but there's a bell curve that comes into play with courses. A majority of the courses are going to fit into the middle range, with the truly superior, or sadly horrible, courses being the exceptions so there should be fewer 4.5-5s and 0-.5s than other, more middle of the road ratings.

cydisc · Dec 28, 2009

ERicJ said:
was waiting for someone to bring up Mason Park, perfect example of a course that deserves a zero-star rating.

I'd probably give that one a 0.2 disc rating... rounding down to zero.

optidiscic · Dec 28, 2009

Interesting points JimB and your right about the bell curve. I was surprised that the top and bottom of the scale are actually close but the bell graph definetely is a bit too far to the right for my tastes. I thought it might have to do with the fact that not many people use the zero option which is ok as long as there are roughly the same number of reviews at the high end which there are actually less.....(19 zeros and just 6 fives) I might start a do you use the 5 option poll. Regardless here is the Bell Curve and how it leans to the right:

0.0-0.5 0.51-1.0 1.01-1.5 1.51-2.0 2.01-2.5 2.51-3.0 3.01-3.5 3.51-4.0 4.01-4.5 4.51-5

65 43 186 288 383 515 524 437 173 41

2.4% 1.6% 7.0% 10.8% 14.4% 19.3% 19.7% 16.5% 6.5% 1.5%

As I suspected the avg course rating is somewhere around 3.....there could be a number of factors that cause this.....one could speculate all day but for my own personal purposes I consider 3 to be avg when I am perusing courses.

Jimb · Dec 28, 2009

optidiscic said:
Interesting points JimB and your right about the bell curve. I was surprised that the top and bottom of the scale are actually close but the bell graph definetely is a bit too far to the right for my tastes. I thought it might have to do with the fact that not many people use the zero option which is ok as long as there are roughly the same number of reviews at the high end which there are actually less.....(19 zeros and just 6 fives) I might start a do you use the 5 option poll. Regardless here is the Bell Curve and how it leans to the right:

As I suspected the avg course rating is somewhere around 3.....there could be a number of factors that cause this.....one could speculate all day but for my own personal purposes I consider 3 to be avg when I am perusing courses.

Thanks for doing the actual math opti. As I said, I really didn't remember much!

This is just about what I would have expected you to find. And is there somewhere that shows each reviewer's average course rating? I don't feel like adding up and dividing my scores if there's an easy way out. But looking at my bell curve, it appears to be slightly skewed to the high side just like the overall ratings are. Very interesting!

Lewis · Dec 28, 2009

The fact that optidiscic can get those numbers so easily says a lot about the browseability and searchability of the courses in this site. Praise Tim!

Now Opti, can you make us a little chart?

optidiscic · Dec 28, 2009

Someone else can make the chart....I don't have the software!

JimB just go to your courses rated page and click on the discs at the top of your data..FYI your avg is 2.73

Jimb · Dec 28, 2009

optidiscic said:
Someone else can make the chart....I don't have the software!

JimB just go to your courses rated page and click on the discs at the top of your data..FYI your avg is 2.73

Hey, 2.73. That's not too far from the 2.5 average rating. I bet that I'm within some appropriate standard deviation, right??? (Pulling another term out of my backside here.)

And I rolled right over the discs and there it was... 2.73.

Thanks again.

optidiscic · Dec 29, 2009

Apothecary · Dec 29, 2009

hahaha nice work!:clap:

simpletwist · Dec 29, 2009

A zero would mean there is no course. So by a course's very existence it should get a minimum 0.5.

Apothecary · Dec 29, 2009

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The Zero Poll

Have you used the Zero Rating

No....even the worst course is a 0.5...zero means void

No...I have not used zero but believe theres a zero out there

Yes...I use zero when the course is unplayable

Yes...I use zero for the worst course I play

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