Most are....though rules have to contemplate those who aren't.
I can think of a few who, if they detoured to their car to shed a jacket or grab a water bottle or whatever, I'd be suspicious of.
Particularly if they were part of the presumed majority who think the limit is a dumb rule. Their would be great temptation to bend it. And, if the disc limit has any real effect, skirting it would have a significant effect.
Well, that's kinda sad, I guess.
Anyway, if part of the reason for opposing a rule is because you're worried about people cheating, the problem isn't really with the rule…
I'm pretty sure you have to play the same make/model of ball for the entire round once you've started a round.
Only in some cases. For casual play, even for handicaps, no. For many amateur tournaments, no. On the PGA Tour and some higher level events, the condition of competition is in place, yes.
Albert Einstein, really? "What's right?" You do realize you just said that your opinion that there should be a limit on the number of discs is "right" as in, has a moral imperative?
You know, I debated including that, because I feared someone would take it far,
far more seriously than intended, as you've done.
I'm simply quoting it to say that what may be "best" for disc golf may not be the "popular" option. Many people will point to a poll as if it's "proof" that I'm "wrong" or should change my opinion.
What is "best" may not always be popular. Raising taxes to pay for something may be what's "right" but it's unlikely to be a popular thing.
When discussing opinions, there is almost never a "right" or "wrong." I get that. And I posted the quote in a lighthearted, not serious way of saying that "popularity" alone doesn't mean as much as some seem to think.
The correlation between discs owned and discs carried in tournaments is weak in my observation.
I haven't talked about discs owned or anything like that.
As I indirectly pointed out, if there was a huge drive for this, the TDs would be doing it.
I never said there was a huge drive for it. My Einstein quote speaks to that - it's not a popular opinion. I get that. But… so what?
There are real issues the PDGA has at hand including growth, and backing. There are real issues at hand concerning rules and play, par, basket structure, step and jump putting, course difficulty for majors. Not to mention the development and structure of a Pro Tour, World Tour, NT Tour etc.
No doubt there are "bigger" issues, but that doesn't mean they have to ignore everything else.
And again, I don't expect this to pass any time soon (I only say that because I'm not a fan of saying "never"). That doesn't invalidate my opinion.
BTW - David is correct about monitoring players for discs. I've seen too many guys sneak off to have a joint, smoke, beer etc, to think that guys won't sneak off to get discs, not to mention having to go through everyone's bag pre-tournament to make sure it's in line before tee off.
So disc golfers are dishonest cheats. Cool. Not.
But I don't see how it makes the game better, or enough better to justify the rule.
I do.
I can dream up a lot of changes that would make the game more challenging, and in some way require more skill.
I could too, but this thread is about this one.
Just requiring more skill, in itself, isn't enough. Does it make the game better?
It's not really about requiring "more skill." It's about further separating players with more skill.
Imagine right now someone's scoring average is 57.3 and a competitor of his is 58.0. The two have a range of scores that look a bit like a bell curve, and the B guy beats the A guy maybe 40% of the time.
Their scores might go up slightly, to 58.1 and 59.6, but the gap will increase: B will beat A only 25% of the time now. The better player will be able to separate himself more. IMO.
Out of curiosity, do top players make the same throw every time, and just change discs?
I highly doubt that, but you're mistaking my simplification of the concept to make my point with what I'm actually saying. The player who has MORE throws available to him is the more skilled player. The player who makes fewer throws and relies on the plastic to do what he needs to do is the less skilled player (assuming all else is equal - you could limit Ricky Wysocki to a forehand and an 800-rated player to any throw he wants to make and Ricky is clearly the more skilled).
Even as I agree that it takes more skill to play with fewer discs, I think it's oversimplified to say players just throw the same way every time, and change discs to suit the hole.
I haven't said that.
......and please include your mid-round replacement rule.
I already did. No mid-round replacement. Adds to the strategy.