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Thumber

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Over the last few years we have seen an alarming growth in the tick population here in eastern Ontario. I don't ever remember these things being in the woods when I was a kid.

Apparently the Black-Legged Tick (which is the Lyme disease vector) is now in the area. Great....

Just wondering how those of you who deal with these nasty creatures regularly prepare for and prevent them.

The thought of having to wear long pants and socks over pants sounds awful. We only get 6 weeks of nice weather here as it is.
 
Just be vigilant. If you find and remove ticks quickly enough, they won't cause you any problems. I believe they need to be attached for about 24 hours before there's any risk of lyme. So if you make sure to check yourself after spending time in the woods, you should be okay.

Also keep a watch on your gear. A tick could easily get onto/into your bag and get to you or your pets after you bring it into the house.

Again, just be vigilant. Do a little research to educate yourself, and take appropriate actions to stay safe.
 
Exactly. As much as I hate ticks (man they're freaky little buggers) I still play most of my rounds with no shirt, just shorts and vibram five fingers. As soon as a tick is on me I know it and I take it off. Even though it may seem counter intuitive I actually feel more aware and they are less likely to sneak up into the hiding spots they seem to favor before I catch them. As long as you check yo self after rounds you'll be golden.
 
Repellents play an integral part in your personal protection strategy. Repellents containing DEET are not sufficient to protect against tick bites. DEET only repels ticks to areas where they could bite and even that little protection does not last long. PERMETHRIN kills ticks on contact. Clothing only repellents that contain Permethrin are very effective and provide long-lasting protection. The best protection you can achieve is by using a repellent that contains Permethrin on your clothes and one that contains DEET for your skin.

pulled this from tick encounter resource center. some good advice.


also for the clothes.


What you wear when working or playing could reduce your chances of tick bites. Remember: Ticks start LOW and crawl UP; ticks do not jump, fly or drop from trees, they are down on the ground and crawl up until they find a good spot to attach. Tucking pant legs into socks is a good way to keep ticks on the outside where they may be seen or get brushed off.

:)
 
I keep a small bottle (aerosol) of DeepWoods OFF. Has a higher DEET content than the other bug sprays...
I spray my shoes/socks, stool legs and the bottom/back of my bag.
Nasty little buggers...:mad:
 
Thanks for the advice.

Permethrin is pretty nasty stuff. I don't think I would want to spray that on anything my skin will come into contact with. Not something I want stuck to bags or clothes either. Too much risk of kids getting into contact with it

Side Effects

Pyrethroids:
Inhalation: coughing, wheezing, shortness of breath, runny or stuffy nose, chest pain, or difficulty breathing.

Skin contact: rash, itching, or blisters.

Long term effects: disrupts the endocrine system by mimicking the female hormone, estrogen, thus causing excessive estrogen levels in females. In human males, its estrogenizing (feminizing) effects include lowered sperm counts. In both, it can lead to the abnormal growth of breast tissue, leading to development of breasts in males and cancerous breast tissue in both male and females.

Neurotoxic effects include: tremors, incoordination, elevated body temperature, increased aggressive behavior, and disruption of learning. Laboratory tests suggest that permethrin is more acutely toxic to children than to adults.

Other: A known carcinogen. There is evidence that pyrethroids harm the thyroid gland. Causes chromosomal damage in hamsters and mice; deformities in amphibians; blood abnormalities in birds.
 
Just be vigilant. If you find and remove ticks quickly enough, they won't cause you any problems. I believe they need to be attached for about 24 hours before there's any risk of lyme. So if you make sure to check yourself after spending time in the woods, you should be okay.

Also keep a watch on your gear. A tick could easily get onto/into your bag and get to you or your pets after you bring it into the house.

Again, just be vigilant. Do a little research to educate yourself, and take appropriate actions to stay safe.

I thought that the disease was transferred faster than that, maybe a different disease that they spread. Still, they often take awhile before they actually bite so be vigilant and remove any after a round. you will be just fine.
 
I thought that the disease was transferred faster than that, maybe a different disease that they spread. Still, they often take awhile before they actually bite so be vigilant and remove any after a round. you will be just fine.

From the CDC.

In most cases, the tick must be attached for 36-48 hours or more before the Lyme disease bacterium can be transmitted.
 
Signs and Symptoms of Lyme Disease
If you had a tick bite, live in an area known for Lyme disease or have recently traveled to an area where it occurs, and observe any of these symptoms, you should seek medical attention!

Early localized stage (3-30 days post-tick bite)
•Red, expanding rash called erythema migrans (EM)
•Fatigue, chills, fever, headache, muscle and joint aches, and swollen lymph nodes
Some people may get these general symptoms in addition to an EM rash, but in others, these general symptoms may be the only evidence of infection.

Some people get a small bump or redness at the site of a tick bite that goes away in 1-2 days, like a mosquito bite. This is not a sign that you have Lyme disease. However, ticks can spread other organisms that may cause a different type of rash. For example, Southern Tick-associated Rash Illness (STARI) causes a rash with a very similar appearance.

Erythema migrans (EM) or "bull's-eye" rash

Rash occurs in approximately 70-80% of infected persons1 and begins at the site of a tick bite after a delay of 3-30 days (average is about 7 days).
Rash gradually expands over a period of several days, and can reach up to 12 inches (30 cm) across. Parts of the rash may clear as it enlarges, resulting in a "bull's-eye" appearance.
Rash usually feels warm to the touch but is rarely itchy or painful.
EM lesions may appear on any area of the body.

Early disseminated stage (days to weeks post-tick bite)
Untreated, the infection may spread from the site of the bite to other parts of the body, producing an array of specific symptoms that may come and go, including:

•Additional EM lesions in other areas of the body
•Facial or Bell's palsy (loss of muscle tone on one or both sides of the face)
•Severe headaches and neck stiffness due to meningitis (inflammation of the spinal cord)
•Pain and swelling in the large joints (such as knees)
•Shooting pains that may interfere with sleep
•Heart palpitations and dizziness due to changes in heartbeat
Many of these symptoms will resolve over a period of weeks to months, even without treatment2.However, lack of treatment can result in additional complications, described below.

Bell's (facial) palsy
Loss of muscle tone on one or both sides of the face is called facial or "Bell's" palsy.

Late disseminated stage (months-to-years post-tick bite)
Approximately 60% of patients with untreated infection may begin to have intermittent bouts of arthritis, with severe joint pain and swelling. Large joints are most often affected, particularly the knees3. Arthritis caused by Lyme disease manifests differently than other causes of arthritis and must be distinguished from arthralgias (pain, but not swelling, in joints).

Up to 5% of untreated patients may develop chronic neurological complaints months to years after infection4. These include shooting pains, numbness or tingling in the hands or feet, and problems with short-term memory.

Arthritis
Pain and swelling in the large joints (such as knees) can occur.

Lingering symptoms after treatment (post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome)
Approximately 10-20% of patients with Lyme disease have symptoms that last months to years after treatment with antibiotics5. These symptoms can include muscle and joint pains, cognitive defects, sleep disturbance, or fatigue. The cause of these symptoms is not known, but there is no evidence that these symptoms are due to ongoing infection with B. burgdorferi. This condition is referred to as Post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome (PTLDS). There is some evidence that PTLDS is caused by an autoimmune response, in which a person's immune system continues to respond, doing damage to the body's tissues, even after the infection has been cleared. Studies have shown that continuing antibiotic therapy is not helpful and can be harmful for persons with PTLDS.

some info on lyme disease.
 
Great information here. Not too much to add, ticks suck. Thumber, Deet is not much better for you, having nearly as ugly of warnings attatched.
 
Great information here. Not too much to add, ticks suck. Thumber, Deet is not much better for you, having nearly as ugly of warnings attatched.


Ya i try to avoid deet as well.

My understanding is that deet concentrations above 25% are no more effective either.

I did a field camp in far northern Manitoba during University. Lots of kids going down with DEET poisoning. The Mosquitos and blackflies were horrendous
 
Honestly I go with the permatrhin... I designate one pair of pants my 'Disc golf in the hills pants', spray the pants form the knees down and my shoes (sometimes the bottom of my bag to avoid hitch hikers)

You spray it with ample amount of time to let it dry before you wear the clothes, you'll be just fine.

I accidentally brought one tick home from a round, and my wife was ready to burn the house down...
 
Just make sure to regularly check your legs when you are out on the course, maybe right after you go off the fairway and into the thicker stuff (though no one does that here, right) or if you are walking through grass as high or higher than your ankle. If you wear white socks then they stand out even better.

The other key thing is to thoroughly check yourself when you are done with your round. Strip down all the way if you can. A mirror will help, a boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse (or a really really close buddy) is even better to help you look.

Around here (Minnesota) the type of tick that carries lyme disease are tiny, so you want to check closely.
 
So, you want to know how to deal with ticks and you'll do anything except wear long pants, tuck your pants into your socks, spray PERMETHRIN on the outside of your clothes, or apply DEET?

Stay inside.

Checking yourself for those little deer ticks is not effective enough. I missed one and got Lyme's disease. I'll take all those side effects from the repellents over Lyme's disease any day.

If wearing shorts is worth risking your life, or worse, joint pain so severe you'll never be able to play again, go for it.

Make sure you run to the doctor and start powerful antibiotics every time you feel sick.
 
Ya i try to avoid deet as well.

My understanding is that deet concentrations above 25% are no more effective either.

You have that backwards.
Deet % under 25 is pretty worthless even for mosquitos.

Deet and Permethrin are much less of a posion than we come in contact everyday with. THE FDA APPROVES THESE PRODUCTS FOR THESE USES.

Don't drink it, breath it, or put on direct skin/open membranes etc. Im fine not cataching lymes, west nile, flu and would worry much mre about the air quality in your home than some replellant. I would bet you are breathing in some CRAP as we speak and spend a lot more time there than spraying yourself down with bug spray.
 
Ticks don't seem to be as bad in the last couple years. I've only caught a couple. I do spray my shoes with a silicone waterproofer though (Kiwi), I wonder if they don't like that? I usually always shower after rounds too just in case. Catch them before they have a chance to bite.
 
If you google search Ticks and your state/province you should be able to find a map or some discription of tick breed with population and % disease carriers. Some tick species will be relatively low risk of disease in your area. Some will be higher.

The diseases get transmitted when the tick back-washes into your body. That occurs when they: become real bloated (approx 24-48 hours after attachment), retract from your body naturally (24-48 hours after attachment), or get squished while still feeding on you.
Less mature ticks, i.e. the smaller ones, have less control over backwashing, but typically have less percentage of carrying disease. However, small ticks are usually harder to notice on you, and thus, is the reason most people that get lymes disease get infected from a small tick that went un-noticed.
 

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