I started playing disc golf about 15 years ago. I played for about 3 years, then quit playing up until about a year ago. When I started playing, discs like the Viper and Banshee were the " maximum distance" drivers. Since my return to the sport, I've tried several of these new high-speed discs. I've had some pretty good drives, but more bad than good. I'm getting to the point where I can throw putters and mids 300+ feet, with consitent accuracy. I was wondering if there was anyone else who felt the same. There certainly isn't anyone that I've played with lately that doesn't seem to have several 12 & 13 speed drivers in their bag. I'm not totally ready to go the way of the slower discs, however I've been getting drives over 400' with an Eagle, Cheetah, and Banshee. The Hornet has been my "go-to" disc. That thing freakin' bombs!