I can just see tournaments where the TD sends a measuring tape reel out with each card.
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End of Jump Putting as we know it
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JimDK27
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It looks like B1 removes the jump putting due the foot restricted to the 30x30 cm square upon release.
It is an old argument on the PDGA forum
Jump Putting is illegal, putt jumping is legal (outside the circle)
Some guys will argue that stance violations and foot faults will hold the sport back/ are holding the sport back.
These same people also seem to think that stand and deliver is the answer, not losening up the rules around what is a legal stance.
I don't think anyting will change, if it does, you will probably see it at the USDGC first.
Jump Putting is illegal, putt jumping is legal (outside the circle)
Some guys will argue that stance violations and foot faults will hold the sport back/ are holding the sport back.
These same people also seem to think that stand and deliver is the answer, not losening up the rules around what is a legal stance.
I don't think anyting will change, if it does, you will probably see it at the USDGC first.
So everyone is going to ignore the final line of bruceuk's (the poster at PDGA) post, which was copied verbatim here: "None of these have reached a proposal stage yet"
This isn't going to be in the new updated rule book. It's not even at a stage where it's being considered to be added officially to the rule book at any time. It's just people throwing ideas around.
But by all means, let's hysterically over-react at a mere thought exercise that might one day evolve into a real proposal that might potentially become a real rule at some indeterminate future date. Ahhhhh.
This isn't going to be in the new updated rule book. It's not even at a stage where it's being considered to be added officially to the rule book at any time. It's just people throwing ideas around.
But by all means, let's hysterically over-react at a mere thought exercise that might one day evolve into a real proposal that might potentially become a real rule at some indeterminate future date. Ahhhhh.
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HEY PDGA RULES COMMITTEE,
IF IT AIN'T BROKE,
THEN DON'T FIX IT!!!! :thmbdown:
Not saying I support this proposal....
But it is broke.
A few years back someone took a video of a hole where jump putts were very common. I think it was at an NT and the hole was 450 wide open - so most players were getting longer putts for deuce.
They used a high tech camera and slowed the film way down. I'm not sure of the exact number, but according to what I heard from an extremely reliable source, over 50% of jump putts were illegal b/c the player was releasing the disc after leaving the ground. Now in real time, it is impossible to see it, but in slow motion, it was evidently pretty clear.
Now the argument becomes is it really worth rewording b/c someone is releasing .03 seconds after they should, which is where I stand on the subject, personally.
mudslinger
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Recent pDGA rules history
Someone hates distance driving...Super Class invented...and failed.
Someone hates distance driving...stand and deliver proposed...never adopted.
Pros hate USDGC stroke and distance rules...now its a "distance only" penality, no stroke for OB (if reteeing).
Now someone hates jump putting...why not level the playing field and have everyone else play the less skilled way you do...
worst part is...the author of the 'proposal' said himself there is no negative feedback...quote" I have pitched this whole concept to a variety of players from AM2 through to Pro and no one has voiced any concerns."
But your history shows most proposals fail, so this is going to be one of those.
mudslinger
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True. My point is this is the type of stuff your pDGA $ goes to...helping some non-jump putters level the competition because they lack skills. I know it probably won't pass...but the USDGC no strokes for OB rule passed, which is yet another major change in how the game is played.
grodney
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There shouldn't be ANY falling putt rule -- it's prettymuch dumb.
jump putting is not really much of a skill. Most people just flail their arms hoping for an extra 10 feet.
I have been playing for 18 years in PDGA events and I must say that it is about time. Falling putts should be illegal as should jump putts. Very rarely does someone jump putt legally.
I use the jump putt myself, but always feel as though I am cheating doing so.
It looks ugly, it eliminates the skill of throwing a disc Instead you just launch it into the air.
This is a great idea. 100 feet and in makes sense. I kind of think this is a good idea. I would love to see the jump putt eliminated from the sport. And I use them quite a bit. Would be nice to have people throw the disc from 100 feet again.
I use the jump putt myself, but always feel as though I am cheating doing so.
It looks ugly, it eliminates the skill of throwing a disc Instead you just launch it into the air.
This is a great idea. 100 feet and in makes sense. I kind of think this is a good idea. I would love to see the jump putt eliminated from the sport. And I use them quite a bit. Would be nice to have people throw the disc from 100 feet again.
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Correct - see my post earlier.
Jump putting wasn't intended to be a part of the game. I've had the discussion with Carlton Howard who basically helped write the rules many times. It's been something that kinda creatively came out of the current rules that was never intended to happen and never been dealt with.
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100% disagree. any putt from 5 6 feet I would literally fall forward and drop it in each time.
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Sure but lots of lower level players will struggle to throw 100 feet without stepping through. That's where this fails IMO. I am not a big fan of jump putts, but I am a fan of being able to follow through. At 100 feet I am probably going to step through a bit just to maintain good form on my 100 foot putt
yeah, and who is going to call the disc golf equivelent of traveling on someone over a 5' putt.
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9 times out of 10 any argument in our sport that uses "it will be too hard" or "so and so will stuggle" is typically invalid.
Our sport is insanely too easy.
One of my favorite quotes about this game is from Cam Todd.
"You can't make a hole I can't birdie"
grodney
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What is dumb, the rule against it or the fact it happens?
I value your opinion
I'm sorta honored giles! The rule against it.
I believe a lot of "out there" stuff, like the falling putt rule should be eliminated. I think it would make the game better, simpler, and more intuitive.
I also believe in stand-and-deliver. And was forever against the 2m rule until it was eliminated. I sorta think the outer chains should come off the targets, too, though I'm still convincing myself of that one.
I really believe these things, but I only post them to troll easy targets like MTL -- ha ha.
Some of you aren't seeing the facts that...
1. Too many players don't know the existing rules, and too many of us that do don't enforce them.
2. If a new rule is imposed, the memo that it has changed won't get out to everyone, even 2-3 years after it has been adopted and we'll still have people playing by the old rules, and it doesn't do a damned thing about concern #1.
3. It will impose a logistical nightmare on TD's at big events who now have to be concerned how to mark where the new putting circle/restriction begins, when they have far more important things to do. They waste enough time, money and paint marking 10 meter circles as it is.
1. Too many players don't know the existing rules, and too many of us that do don't enforce them.
2. If a new rule is imposed, the memo that it has changed won't get out to everyone, even 2-3 years after it has been adopted and we'll still have people playing by the old rules, and it doesn't do a damned thing about concern #1.
3. It will impose a logistical nightmare on TD's at big events who now have to be concerned how to mark where the new putting circle/restriction begins, when they have far more important things to do. They waste enough time, money and paint marking 10 meter circles as it is.
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