End of Jump Putting as we know it

[Morlock]

Too funny! I say get rid of all the falling putt rules, even in the 30 ft circle. Really, a putt is a putt If it goes in it should be counted. The thing I hate the most...why do we not count wedgies and shots that land on top of the basket? They are suspended off the ground right? I know it's rare to have happen, but it does happen.

Simple is better. Jump putting, fall putting could all be a simpler way of playing, instead of so focused on catching people on rules. Like others have stated, no one really follows the rules, unless they are threatened by the skill levels of their competitors.

 

[jenb]

How often do they make rules changes this big in ball golf? I mean, 15cm relief left or right is a big game changer. And who is trying to eliminate jump putts anyway? IDK, maybe it took 50 years to nail down the rules of ball golf, but having a standard set of rules over time is important to the integrity of the sport.

 

[DavidSauls]

How often do they make rules changes this big in ball golf? I mean, 15cm relief left or right is a big game changer. And who is trying to eliminate jump putts anyway? IDK, maybe it took 50 years to nail down the rules of ball golf, but having a standard set of rules over time is important to the integrity of the sport.

Football changes rules every year. NASCAR changes rules mid-season. College basketball has moved the 3-point line several times. I used to coach youth baseball and I swear there were new rules each year. I don't think it's that big a threat to the sport's integrity.

I still believe this isn't a rules change at all. Just a suggestion someone made that hasn't gone anywhere.

 

[DavidSauls]

From the PDGA thread:

I appreciate the brainstorming and was happy with the conclusion:
Quote:

9/5: No interest has been expressed. Issue closed.

 

[Martin Dewgarita]

I heard thumbers are going to be made illegal.

Continue on.

 

[Halcón]

Wow. I don't log onto DGCR for a few hours and I miss a 13 page whine-fest.

Issue closed.

/end thread.

 

[DonCasper]

If they ever truly allow jump then putting I will be ecstatic. Finally all of that time I wasted long jumping in college put to use. And some truly hilarious blooper reels as people smoke themselves on the basket.

 

[DavidSauls]

I heard thumbers are going to be made illegal.

Continue on.

It's about time.

 

[Kingace]

I heard lefties will be banned also.

 

[Star Shark]

As has been said, jump putting is controversial because most people do it wrong. The main key being that your foot behind your marker has to be on the ground within 30cm on the line of play when you release. Most people are off the ground when they throw for the jump putt. Feldberg gcame up with his step through putt for just this reason. He knew the common technique was fairly iffy, rules-wise.

Falling putts are a bit more subjective as it can be difficult to tell if a player was balanced or not and did they follow through too quickly to retrieve their disc.

 

[Disc Fiend]

Feldberg gcame up with his step through putt for just this reason. He knew the common technique was fairly iffy, rules-wise.

That is what I use sometimes if I am too far out for a regular putt. I never jump-putt.

 

[DiscJunkie]

Jump-putts, meh.
This rule, I believe, was originally implemented to stop abuse. That is, people were running and jumping past their lie to get closer to the basket before release. Also, people within a few feet of the basket were "falling"/dunking their putts into the basket.
If someone leaves the ground .3 second before they release the disc, call me uninterested.
Tempest in a teapot, IMHO.
As others have stated, some purists would ban overhands, rollers and anything else that doesn't figure into their "pure" sport.
Silly, really.
This whole idea should die a quiet, disinterested death.
If not, let's start a thread and discuss it before we kill it.

Last word, Feldy will never let this fly. It will never get through the board in its present form.

 

[jenb]

Jump-putts, meh.
This rule, I believe, was originally implemented to stop abuse. That is, people were running and jumping past their lie to get closer to the basket before release.

The rule is that you can't jump past your lie and release your disc in the air even outside 10 meters. Why do you need a 10 meter circle where "demonstrating balance before advancing" kicks in to stop that? I think we could get rid of the ten meter circle and be fine. It's more trouble than it's worth.

 

[jenb]

Football changes rules every year. NASCAR changes rules mid-season. College basketball has moved the 3-point line several times. I used to coach youth baseball and I swear there were new rules each year. I don't think it's that big a threat to the sport's integrity.

I still believe this isn't a rules change at all. Just a suggestion someone made that hasn't gone anywhere.

Team sports are different. But with an individual sport where players compete against a course, like ball golf, you can go play a famous course and compare your score to what Paul Hogan shot there years ago (with willow shafted clubs), and know you at least played by the same rules. I think that's part of the appeal to a lot of ball golfers.

 

[Cgkdisc]

I'm not sure Paul Hogan "that's not a knife, now here's a knife" played golf that well ...maybe "uncle" Ben?

 

[DavidSauls]

Team sports are different. But with an individual sport where players compete against a course, like ball golf, you can go play a famous course and compare your score to what Paul Hogan shot there years ago (with willow shafted clubs), and know you at least played by the same rules. I think that's part of the appeal to a lot of ball golfers.

To my taste, there's a greater value in improving rules. (Not this particular rule, but rules in general). For example, I wouldn't want to keep a poor rule in place just so people can compare current scores with historical scores, especially with the effect of equipment and course changes.

I took your mention of "integrity" of the sport to be more than comparing historical scores, and thus applying to team sports as well as individual. I'm not well enough versed in individual sports to know how static their rules have been over the years, anyway. But the sports I'm familiar with have maintained their integrity with regular rules changes.

In the meantime, in my years of disc golf I've seen significant changes in rules of play and competitive structure (along with changes in courses and, of course, equipment). Most I liked, some I didn't. A better argument for more static rules, I think, is that people seem to have a hard enough time understanding and complying with one set of rules, let alone being confused by periodic changes. So I think the changes need really compeling reasons.

 

[atay87]

Most everyone I've played with does some sort of jump-putt or falls past their lie when their out of the circle and I've never seen anyone do it wrong. It's really not that hard. It's much more of a natural, athletic motion that reduces boring layups and unrealistic strong-armed putts. And I think it adds to the athletic image of the sport:

 

[DavidSauls]

If someone leaves the ground .3 second before they release the disc, call me uninterested.
Tempest in a teapot, IMHO.

That's my feeling, too. One argument is that jump-putts are foot faults that are too close to call. I'm inclined to think if they're too close to call, they're too close to worry about.

 

[JC17393]

The rule is that you can't jump past your lie and release your disc in the air even outside 10 meters. Why do you need a 10 meter circle where "demonstrating balance before advancing" kicks in to stop that? I think we could get rid of the ten meter circle and be fine. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Because demonstrating balance is only required inside the 10-meter circle. They go hand in hand. If you eliminate the 10-meter circle, are you going to require demonstrating balance on all shots?

ANOTHER FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT NO SUCH RULE CHANGES HAVE BEEN OFFICIALLY PROPOSED OR APPROVED. NO ONE IS TAKING THE JUMP PUTT AWAY ANYTIME SOON.

 

[grodney]

A few of us seem to be in favor of just allowing jump-putts wherever. My main point along those lines is: It simplifies the rules, without really changing the game.

Others seem to think allowing jump-putts inside 10m would be some disaster and game changer, but I just don't see it. Players would still be required to maintain contact until release, which would continue to be a split-second call, and they would continue to abuse it just as they do now.

The argument for "beauty and skill of maintaining balance" is equally offset by the argument for "athleticism and skill of performing a legal jump-putt".