[MVP] MVP Shock

[Menacewarf]

I had a second round with my shock this morning and was still throwing nice glidy hyzers on tight lines.

 

[Ogroat]

I was excited to get my Shock today, as I get out of class early enough that I could go throw it. I checked the FedEx tracking while I was at class and it was listed as 'delivered.' I got home and there's no box here. :gross:

This isn't the first time that FexEx has screwed up an shipment of mine, but it hasn't happened in some time. It was probably dropped off at another house in the neighborhood.

 

[Pwingles]

Well, my problem is that the same throw seems turn over more with the Shock, than the Volt, and the Amp wouldn't turn over at all.

I was throwing them one after the other on holes I play 2-3 times a week, so it seems pretty clear how they behave for me.

Could I have something systematically wrong with my drive? Absolutely.

But other discs seem to behave they way they are advertised for the most part. e.g. My Destroyer is overstable. My Sidewinder in understable. A new or champion T-bird stays straight when I throw it with power, until the end where it fades (although DX tbirds and Valks vary greatly for me, especially once they are worn in). However, these disks don't glide as nicely as my MVP discs do

Is it possible that psycologically youre tryin to manipulate the flight so much that youre underpowering the amp and overpowering the volt/shock? Because of a preconceived notion about how they should fly?

 

[Radiomuted]

Is it possible that psycologically youre tryin to manipulate the flight so much that youre underpowering the amp and overpowering the volt/shock? Because of a preconceived notion about how they should fly?

Definitely been in that situation before... Still am to some degree.

 

[StingHP]

I was excited to get my Shock today, as I get out of class early enough that I could go throw it. I checked the FedEx tracking while I was at class and it was listed as 'delivered.' I got home and there's no box here. :gross:

This isn't the first time that FexEx has screwed up an shipment of mine, but it hasn't happened in some time. It was probably dropped off at another house in the neighborhood.

Haha. Received mine from them today as well. In the box was the two shocks and two amps along with a few others. I had a shock and an amp with large warps in the flight plate. Thankfully leaving them out and warming up it went away. Now it just needs to warm up so I can throw them.

 

[texhop58]

Ordered my shock today from Marshall street. Found a black one. Can't wait to play with it

 

[Titan037]

Is the Shock forehand friendly?

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Is the Shock forehand friendly?

I was very impressed with the shock for forhand shots. I didn't quite get to open up backhand but I can say I was throwing nice forhand hyzers that felt consistently stable (showed no turn) but also with much less effort then if I was throwing a very overstable disc.

Sounds like it and many vids with people executing just fine... it is the most stable mold from MVP also which generally is preferred by most FH throwers.

 

[zj1002]

For me it flew more stable FH than BH. But my FH is really only used out to 325ft for control shots.

 

[DG_Before_Breakfast]

Is it possible that psycologically youre tryin to manipulate the flight so much that youre underpowering the amp and overpowering the volt/shock? Because of a preconceived notion about how they should fly?

Maybe, but I don't think so.

For example, I tried the Volt and the Shock on a straight downhill hole that I recently switched to using a fairway driver or long Mid Range (Squall) because I can overthrow it into the street with a full driver. This is hole 6 at Delaveaga in Santa Cruz for those familiar with that course.

I threw the disc I usually throw now - The Volt. I had a nice rhythm going that morning (in fact tying my best score ever in short positions, -1). With the Volt I got within 25 feet of the hole. Then I just tried to throw the exact same way with the Shock, it turned over, landed about the same distance, but about 70 feet to the right. (By the other short position)

Then the rest of the day I used the Shock in situations where I often try to use an understable driver to get right to left action (holes 7, 9, 10, 15) and it worked really well for that. Predictably turning over without attempting to put a lot of power on it. I actually birdied 7, which is not that common for me. On 15 where I need a bit more power to reach the pin, I overpowered the throw and it flipped over hard to the right.

This is all with Right handed Back hand throws.


811rv > wonder if you did check the PLH on those three driver molds?

Nope, what is PLH?

 

[811rv]

Parting Line Height, some pages back in this thread, you will see profile pix of Shock and Volt and you will see that Shock's PLH (i.e. edge of nose) is bit higher than Volt. In MVP driver's case, higher PLH tends to be more stable. You can put discs on i.e. table and see differences in PLH.

Do you have OAT issues? Some OAT in throw might turn disc over than expected.

 

[Menacewarf]

For me it flew more stable FH than BH. But my FH is really only used out to 325ft for control shots.

Not much of my experience thus far is opened up to any decent length or openness.

On the other hand I've been forhanding the Shock on hyzers with low ceilings or tight gaps very consistently. 7 of 9 so far on the three such shots on my course. This is hitting 10-15 foot gaps, between 200-300 feet, flat and uphill,on a hyzer.

It allows some distance on a nice 60-70% forhand which might need more height with a zone or midrange, and is a nice alternative to the high speed overstable category because throwing with less power can translate to accuracy.

 

[DG_Before_Breakfast]

Parting Line Height, some pages back in this thread, you will see profile pix of Shock and Volt and you will see that Shock's PLH (i.e. edge of nose) is bit higher than Volt. In MVP driver's case, higher PLH tends to be more stable. You can put discs on i.e. table and see differences in PLH.

Do you have OAT issues? Some OAT in throw might turn disc over than expected.

OK, I might check the PLH out to learn more about Disc shapes. I will admit when I got the Amp, I thought that the rim felt pretty heavy and thick to be understable. But when I got the Shock, I though that it felt kind of light and slim to overstable. But I don't think I threw them any differently.

I haven't filmed myself driving, or gone to classes to get feedback on my form. So I can't really say if I suffer from Off Axis Torque. I'm sure at some level I have that problem, or I would be getting better scores. Could certainly be that that is why these discs don't behave how I would expect. But at least in the case of the Amp, I think the particular disc I got in the early white batch was not quite right. Because I should be able to turn that over. I could turn over a 175 g Rampage better than that one

 

[811rv]

Yeah looks like you got more stable Amp. If you can throw Axis straight and clean (holds any line you put on) then your form is probably clean. How far do you normally throw those MVP drivers? Say Volt?

 

[Kingace]

MVP freaks

 

[AndyJB]

MVP freaks

Sweet post, bro.

 

[New013]

I think we have to just accept the fact that some of the first runs of these dics were a bit off perhaps.

From everything I've seen and read about the Volt I'm pretty sure mine is much more understable than others. If I put anything over 60% power it'll flip and not come back and that's throwing with some hyzer. You can say it's my form and question that all you want but I can throw a Mamba close to 400 and not turn it over.

 

[Halcón]

I think we have to just accept the fact that some of the first runs of these dics were a bit off perhaps.

I personally did not see differences in the three Volts I got when they came out. Nor the two Amps.

That's not to say there weren't some differences in the first runs. Come to think of it, MVP has pretty much had to "dial in" all of their discs after initial runs. Once dialed in however, the consistency is top notch.

On a related note, the Roc3 thread has players complaining about domey Rocs. Maybe they'll get them flatter in future runs.

 

[Menacewarf]

They were all complaining on speculation/anecdot and then someone actually posted a picture of a flat one.

 

[AndyJB]

This brings me to a point I raised earlier...because MVP is a smaller company and (I assume) it costs them more to produce discs, I wonder if they are releasing them before they are 100 percent ready because they know we will buy them, and rather than throw them away, they release them at 90 percent consistency or whatever....its an economics t hing, maybe?

Which makes me wonder why no company (like Innova or Discraft...big companies) donates their factoryseconds (the really bad ones, not the ones they can sell as F2's) to third world countries? Bet they could get some sweet tax breaks for that...