Uli's walking putt

[HyzerUniBomber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgjNpMCE0Q#t=932

The video is pretty blurry, but that looks pretty much like the falling foot is in contact with the ground.

Surprised that it's not getting called out?

 

[Cgkdisc]

If you can't clearly call it in real time, it's good.

 

[Pbmercil]

Surprised that it's not getting called out?

Between the overall lack of enforcement of the rulebook in this sport, as well as the benefit of the doubt going to the thrower, no I'm not surprised at all.

Uli's walking putt really bothers me a lot. 1) because its impossible to figure out if he foot faults or not. 2) In terms of the kinetic chain and transferring the momentum generated by his body it makes absolutely no sense. So he's bordering on breaking the rules, and the only advantage is that his body gets a little closer then it would be if he stayed behind his lie.

Wysocki is a great example of a pro with a similarly wasteful putting motion that was hard to enforce legality wise. I don't personally know the specifics of how or why, but he eliminated the wasteful part of his motion and his putting has been just as good if not better. I wish Uli would follow his example

 

[Pbmercil]

Not only does it look like his falling foot is making contact, in that second frame it sure looks a lot like his back foot is in the air as well.

 

[WhiteyBear]

Obviously, in real-time, it's a tough call. He's been doing this for a while. And given the fact that he's an extremely good putter, there's no reason for him to change. Bear in mind, he doesn't step putt everything, this was a longer throw than you realize.

By all means, sign up for pro and make some calls (sarcasm).

Paul's a good dude, one of the nicest pros I've ever met. Quite honestly, he's a player I love seeing on the registry list because I know he appreciates TD's, volunteers, and everyone behind the scenes.

 

[mashnut]

Not only does it look like his falling foot is making contact, in that second frame it sure looks a lot like his back foot is in the air as well.

That's fairly irrelevant since the disc is out of his hands in the second frame. It doesn't bother me for the exact reason you say it bothers you. What he's doing doesn't provide any kind of real advantage, so the fact that he's riding the borderline between legal and not legal is just not important to me (and I feel the same when you're talking about someone I'm directly competing against).

 

[Kodachrome]

Yeah, this has bugged the everloving **** out of me for quite some time.

 

[Pbmercil]

That's fairly irrelevant since the disc is out of his hands in the second frame.

You're right, I didn't look at the second frame very closely. I definitely see your point mashnut it not creating an advantage.

Yeah, this has bugged the everloving **** out of me for quite some time.

:hfive:

 

[Aim For The Chains]

If you can't clearly call it in real time, it's good.

This. People are trippin over nothing really. A foot fault should be called if there is an actual advantage. calls in sports real time it's always different then on video.

 

[Declarkus]

http://www.pdga.com/rules/official-...ic-rules-of-play/80204-throwing-from-a-stance

I don't see "advantage" any where in the rules.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Well that's what rules are for and when you break them it's the result....?

 

[mashnut]

http://www.pdga.com/rules/official-...ic-rules-of-play/80204-throwing-from-a-stance

I don't see "advantage" any where in the rules.

Agreed, but this is debating an edge case that can't even be determined using video footage. The advantage argument is just an extra point being brought up to point out that it's not even an important edge case (and that's ignoring the rules specifically saying that benefit of the doubt goes to the player).

 

[Declarkus]

You can break rules without gaining an advantage. You're comparing an objective rule with a subjective opinion.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Then it's a junk rule.

 

[Flip Hyzerman]

He's the king of YouTube foot faults; I'd say at least half of his walking putts are falling. He's nice though, so if you call him out, you probably won't be invited to the hotel room for lukewarm Bud Ice.

 

[sidewinder22]

This is outside the circle, so it's not a putt, or falling putt. I have high speed footage of Uli and Schwebby and a few other top pros on their "jump putts" and have conclusive evidence they are all legit.

 

[Royal Hill]

Whenever this particular issue comes up - with this player or others before him - I always take a moment and l remember what it feels like to actually intend to fault. Try it some time. Try and see if you can do it - no, not just plant that step through foot and then throw - but try and throw *right* at that moment, like you were *trying* to get away with something.

There is something jarring that happens if you actually plant that front foot before you let go - its a weird feeling, very disjointed. Granted a step through putt is a different feeling thing to begin with, but I had a hard time doing an intentional faulting putt with this style. Seemed my brain always let go before the other shoe got to the contact and to a weighted or supported point.

But then again at some point in basketball history, players brains could feel they were going to travel and tried to avoid it…

regardless, my own trials on seeing what it would take led me to believe that as much as our eyes may say one thing to us - I'd bet the true faulted putt using this style with a good operator is actually super rare.

 

[tylerc]

This is outside the circle, so it's not a putt, or falling putt. I have high speed footage of Uli and Schwebby and a few other top pros on their "jump putts" and have conclusive evidence they are all legit.

is this on youtube?

 

[Dan Ensor]

I won't call it on him. He can be as questionable as allows him to sleep at night. That's a far sight more questionable than I could sleep with, though.

 

[sidewinder22]

is this on youtube?

No, it's on my computer at home, or I think I still have it, might have been erased since it's a couple years old. I check later and upload if I find it.