DiscLoser1
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You've mocked the Pro scene (and those that follow it) for years on this very site.
But this is the year you finally had enough, huh?
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You've mocked the Pro scene (and those that follow it) for years on this very site.
But this is the year you finally had enough, huh?
DiscLoser1
Birdie Member
The PDGA needs to get beat up. Needs to be challenged. Needs to throw its mythical weight around, to either assert some actual direction, or get the hell out of the way.
40 years of back-slapping and fist-****ing has produced very little, and now the internet wizards want the sponsors, movers and shakers, and money, to be thrown out of the existing structure.
That's fine, but the existing model will cease to exist, and the NT would be cut down to like 3 events and Worlds, assuming the PDGA could even handle that much money and infrastructure needed without the sponsors.
All the alternative lifestyle champions on these forums who are pro-marijuana, anti-rules enforcement, social outcasts, etc, and now we have the PDGA apologists that want daddy to take charge and remove mean ol Innova and anyone elese who wants to change the status quo.
All of Chuck's talk about the PGA this and that, and all you chuckleheads have to do is watch the US Open once. Pro ball golfers lose their **** on those courses evey year, complain publicly about the course set-up, melt down, lose the tournament in one bad round or one bad hole. The USDGC is the analog to that. Every shot is do or die. A bad shot or tree kick or wind gust is your round, your tournament. It is a mental test as much as physical, that's supposed to be the point. Whoever said they don't want to see Pros taking 10s is missing the point: no one has to take the 10. They only have to take what the course gives and execute the shot. Mind over matter.
End rant. With a shoutout to LyleO for the wall of text.
40 years of back-slapping and fist-****ing has produced very little, and now the internet wizards want the sponsors, movers and shakers, and money, to be thrown out of the existing structure.
That's fine, but the existing model will cease to exist, and the NT would be cut down to like 3 events and Worlds, assuming the PDGA could even handle that much money and infrastructure needed without the sponsors.
All the alternative lifestyle champions on these forums who are pro-marijuana, anti-rules enforcement, social outcasts, etc, and now we have the PDGA apologists that want daddy to take charge and remove mean ol Innova and anyone elese who wants to change the status quo.
All of Chuck's talk about the PGA this and that, and all you chuckleheads have to do is watch the US Open once. Pro ball golfers lose their **** on those courses evey year, complain publicly about the course set-up, melt down, lose the tournament in one bad round or one bad hole. The USDGC is the analog to that. Every shot is do or die. A bad shot or tree kick or wind gust is your round, your tournament. It is a mental test as much as physical, that's supposed to be the point. Whoever said they don't want to see Pros taking 10s is missing the point: no one has to take the 10. They only have to take what the course gives and execute the shot. Mind over matter.
End rant. With a shoutout to LyleO for the wall of text.
Maybe the PDGA budget makers can allocate less money for rope and more money for cameras. *shrugs*
what does this stupid post even mean? go play some more courses or some **** and stop caring so much lol.
Pro disc golf?!
opcorn: I didn't know they had a scene. You really make no sense. just re-read both posts. WTF?
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funny thing is with this post round product all I do is hit the FF key on the YT link and burn thru any adds or BS. when you watch live you have no choice but be subject to what is put in front of you.
Regardless of the number of viewers it is much easier to skip over the ads and any takes away from the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future-- which is the definition of foresight and ruined with spoiler content b4 rounds are produced after the fact.
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lyleoross
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As you pointed out, the major status does not belong to Innova, and frankly, the only reason Innova owns the title of USDGC is because of money. Great event, average course that is in some respects, unfair. Is that a good standard? I'm not denying the hard work. The idea? I doubt if they were the first to have the notion, just the ones with the money, important enough.
I'd never ever say the PDGA owned the event. The notion that innova owns USDGC is silly. It's just a name, albiet, one with gravitas. The USDGOpen, held outside of Pittsburg, with major status, works fine for me. Better courses, with a bit less, well we decided not to have live coverage. Wonder if Discraft would be interested?
You seem to think I'm not being fair to Innova, at least that's how it feels. I'm saying, if we as members feel the event isn't meeting the standards we'd like, we should get our organization to do something about it. Not be mean or unprofessional, simply communicate the issue to Innova as a goal for a major. One mile gave a great proposal about early communication. I agree.
Lyle, you my friend, and I disagree on this topic -- so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm with David and the others. If I create an event from scratch, get PDGA sanctioning, and then build it up over 15-16 years to "something special" that doesn't mean or give cause that I need to acquiesce to anyone. I am the TD, I raised the money (or in this case got Dunipace to put in the hugest chunk of it), went through all of the growing pains (remember performance flights), and yada, yada, yada. The very idea that the PDGA could come in and say, "hey, our members want something more than you're wanting to give, so let's have an adult conversation about giving our members what they want," is all fine and dandy, but I, as the TD, still don't necessarily have to do it. And then what is the PDGA's alternative -- say "nanny-nanny boo-boo, we won't sanction you"??
It's not that type of organization ... people may want it to be, but it's just not. And this diatribe about "what the PDGA should do here and what they did wrong" to me looks like more attempts to trash the PDGA. In THIS specific case they did all the RIGHT things and did all THEY could do. People seem upset that the TD had so much "power" here to just make that decision, but that's not any different than LaMirada or the Memorial or the BSF or the Ledgestone or my local B-tier, etc. So, yes, the USDGC as it is currently situated (that is run by, and having most money being put in by) IS owned by Innova. This particular tournament and the trademarked title. That's also an e.o.s.
btw Ricky was #10 or #SCTop10 tonight. -- the SpinTV version
It's not that type of organization ... people may want it to be, but it's just not. And this diatribe about "what the PDGA should do here and what they did wrong" to me looks like more attempts to trash the PDGA. In THIS specific case they did all the RIGHT things and did all THEY could do. People seem upset that the TD had so much "power" here to just make that decision, but that's not any different than LaMirada or the Memorial or the BSF or the Ledgestone or my local B-tier, etc. So, yes, the USDGC as it is currently situated (that is run by, and having most money being put in by) IS owned by Innova. This particular tournament and the trademarked title. That's also an e.o.s.
btw Ricky was #10 or #SCTop10 tonight. -- the SpinTV version
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teemkey
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So, you're a professional, and you're given the choice between the sanctioned tour and the money tour ...
For the most part I agree, TD autonomy and all that. But let's not pretend that the USDGC became what it is exclusively on Innova's hard work. The PDGA did designate it as a major from day one, giving it instant credibility and gravitas at a time when there was only one Major, no NT, and a scattering mish-mosh of "Super Tour" A-tiers. From the very start, it was at least the #2 most important tournament in the world, if not #1A thanks in large part to the major status. Without that designation, is it really any different than any other large scale event backed by a manufacturer that slow built itself into prominence/importance (Glass Blown Open, Vibram Open, Memorial, Ledgestone, etc)?
Part of being sanctioned is giving the PDGA some say and influence in the event...says so right in the sanctioning agreement. Doesn't mean that the PDGA can overrule or take over or anything, but their wishes can't just be ignored out of hand either.
I hate golf references, but....is that akin to saying Augusta National doesn't own the Masters?
From where I sit, the name "USDGC" goes with this event, not a name the PDGA owned and bestowed. Just as I am free to create an event with any pretentious, previously-unused name I can think of.
From my memory, that's what the USDGC did. I remember thinking they were really presumptuous to use a name like that, when we already had a World Championship, and particularly since it wasn't limited to United States players.
Which is why, when you write that we (PDGA) own the USDGC, it struck a nerve.
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Watching over the years, Innova didn't just make it prestigious with money. They did it with a host of ideas, some controversial at the time, some still controversial. Like the course itself. And testing special rule exceptions, some flopped, some (like island holes) which became popular enough that the PDGA is now trying to reign them in. A big entry producing big payouts (I also scoffed at the time that enough players would go for that). Entry by qualifiers, not open to everyone. 1 round a day through the week with tee times, MVP areas, spectators, spotters with flags, the whole idea of a higher standard. And beyond direct money, their staff time and a whole lot of volunteers. The money they put into it, they gambled on that formula.
Anyone could have done that. Innova did.
I think they own it, name included.
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I agree that the PDGA should govern, should set standards for majors. Innova can decide whether they want the USDGC to still be a major under those standards. The PDGA can decide whether to grant major status to some other event, in addition to or in place of the USDGC.
Or perhaps, if they disagree, they can negotiate, since each brings value to the event.
I just don't feel it's a matter of ownership, of the event or the name.
Meanwhile, having posted that I don't care about broadcasts because disc golf is not a spectator sport so many times even I'm sick of reading it---
Here I am, Saturday, stuck in my home on the soggy edges of a hurricane, really wishing I could watch the USDGC live.
Sigh.
Here I am, Saturday, stuck in my home on the soggy edges of a hurricane, really wishing I could watch the USDGC live.
Sigh.
Streets
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*hits thanks button* well said teebz
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Ain't that the truth.
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