Bradley Walker
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Someone said I should start a thread for this video.
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OK, so this highlights an issue I have and makes me think it is much more significant than I thought.
Collapsing shoulder and small arc. I knew this was an issue for a while and have thought I was making progress but filmed myself the other day and I haven't. I thought simply getting the disc in to the right pec :beto drill was the answer and its part but my arc is very very small, and in practice i'm not getting the disc anywhere near the right pec.
I caught what you have meant about pointing the lower arm left of the target. Made sense and in feeling held my shoulders closed longer, but filing myself i see i'm not even close to getting this right.
So? More right pec drill? take some glidey mids and get that elbow pointed 45o left of target and just work on big smooth arc from there?
My next step I had been thinking about is actually hammering onto a board as if pounding nails into a wall from that setup.
Thanks for answering our requests for video and a better explanation of ARC and 45 degree we were asking for. Reading through those threads it became apparent to me the reason my accuracy goes into the ****ter (shots spit to the right of target) when trying to do the reverse K or wide rail is because of an early shoulder opening.
Keerect.
Elbow forward, or "elbowing the door down" usually becomes SHOULDER OPEN, ELBOW RIGHT, ARM RIGHT, NOSE UP HEYSER...
Keerect.
Elbow forward, or "elbowing the door down" usually becomes SHOULDER OPEN, ELBOW RIGHT, ARM RIGHT, NOSE UP HEYSER...
Yes I've never really understood elbowing down the door, I figured that'd be something I worked on later after working on other things. Now I'm wondering if that "Elbow down the door" advice should really be "Elbow down the door, but that door is 45 degrees left of target"? Or is a forceful elbowing not really needed at all?
Love this video. Really clarifies what you were trying to say to us in the other thread. Sometimes a visual really bridges the gap of understanding (which is why I love the way SW22 does things).
As for the elbowing down the door thing: I think it's advice people give in order to force elbow extension. However, it ends with what BW said (SHOULDER OPEN, ELBOW RIGHT, I ARM RIGHT, NOSE UP HYZER...)
It really helps me if I think about it like this instead: Get into an athletic position and get the disc in the power pocket with your elbow forward like it should be. Now, without moving your shoulder joint, extend your lower arm (say hello to the hit, approx. 45 degrees left of target like BW says). Now rotate your upper body without moving your arm until you're in a wide reachback position. Say hello to your backswing. Now rotate as if you were throwing your disc slowly, but keep your shoulder joint static (never closes, even a little bit) and allow the elbow to be somewhat loose. You should feel the rotation force your elbow closed a little bit and then SNAP back to straight right to the hit point you addressed before.
THAT is how you feel snap. Keep speeding it up and build it into your throw.
SW22 helped me come to this epiphany with his most recent hammer throw/stop hugging yourself videos.
Any chance you have a pic or video walking through your description? I'm trying to wrap my head around the exact mechanics and I think what you're saying would help a ton. Thank you!
It has kind of gotten me off to where I am now pulling straight through, collapsing shoulder and little arc. trying to really drive my elbow at the target along the lines of one of the videos with Lizzotte and Eagle where Simon is saying to really drive the elbow. I have felt in that video and a few others from pros that they aren't actually teaching the right thing because they are naturally doing stuff but they aren't sure what they are doing and as we've said so much feel ain't real so they just tell us what they think they are doing based on how it feels to them.
They are doing something different and better than what they relay and bad habits are created trying to mimic that.
Someone's critique thread got me on the right track a few months ago, but I've been unable to actually put it into practice and all of this just reaffirms it.
Yep I know that one.
What do you feel is over your front foot...your head/upper spine, your shoulder, your elbow? How far forward are you trying to get?
Here's my one-take stab at doing what he is describing. Ignore me at the end going too fast and opening my shoulders too early, lol. If I could do it well I'd be throwing a lot better!Any chance you have a pic or video walking through your description? I'm trying to wrap my head around the exact mechanics and I think what you're saying would help a ton. Thank you!
Here's my one-take stab at doing what he is describing. Ignore me at the end going too fast and opening my shoulders too early, lol. If I could do it well I'd be throwing a lot better!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/yKeGq48JBtVzgRWw8