discgolfer25
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You're right. I went back and looked at his profile. He posted on July 14th about hanging it up and then on Aug. 28, it looks like he plans on coming back in 2019
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You're right. I went back and looked at his profile. He posted on July 14th about hanging it up and then on Aug. 28, it looks like he plans on coming back in 2019
DiscNinja33
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I understand how it works. I'm just saying he knew what was going on and used the wrong word.
pappabearlee
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Buzzz = beadless wasp
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Simon has stakes in Discmania more than just as a player. I could see Eagle branching out or perhaps have a dual sponsorship with DM & Innova. I still think Eagle is vastly under-marketed in the USA from Discmania and hence the reason Eagle tries so hard to market himself socially.
chosenmatrix said:
Yes the Wasp came first, but neither is anywhere close to an early disc for Discraft. The Wasp was PDGA approved in 2002. Discraft's first approved disc was in 1979. There are 40 molds from Discraft that were approved before the Wasp.
Finny
Birdie Member
Do you know how many of the 40 were for disc golf, as opposed to more frisbee-style lids? I tried looking at rim widths, but that's only so helpful.
The key looking at the PDGA approved list would be to look at the diameters. All of their Frisbee style discs were all bigger diameter. Of the 40 ish discs before the Wasp they have 5 that are more Frisbee style lid type of discs (Sky Pro, Sky Styler, Sky Star, Ultra Star, and Sky Streak). The first Discraft disc that is considered made for disc golf was the Phantom (1983). Its interesting to look at the list of approved discs and see the earliest approved discs that are still in production today from Discraft are the Magnet and the Cyclone. Both of those discs were PDGA approved on 7/14/1993. The Ultra Star is earlier and still made today, but we all know its not truly a disc golf disc.
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Owensjef
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This is so exciting who get asked to homecoming...wait..what is happening again
BuiltTooLong
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Buzzz = Super Straight Modified Wasp
That was on the stamp for a number of years.
I'm with you. Most of them are pretty rough. I love a German Lager.........sometimes too much.
A McBeth personalized line at Discraft would be a huge investment for Discraft if they don't use existing molds.
At work we've ran the numbers on the cost of cutting the molds, buying machine time (which we have the presses), paying set up techs (we have a couple of awesome ones), and purchasing resin (which we have plenty of scrap resin we could use for free due to non-automotive manufacturing quality standards). For a startup, it would take a while to make back our money.
But, I could see players wanting to buy a replica McBeth bag. For a big name company, it may pay off huge.
At work we've ran the numbers on the cost of cutting the molds, buying machine time (which we have the presses), paying set up techs (we have a couple of awesome ones), and purchasing resin (which we have plenty of scrap resin we could use for free due to non-automotive manufacturing quality standards). For a startup, it would take a while to make back our money.
But, I could see players wanting to buy a replica McBeth bag. For a big name company, it may pay off huge.
lyleoross
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Wait, I'm lost. Is Simon signing with Discraft or not?
DiscNinja33
Par Member
He signed a 5 year extension with Discmania. Paul isn't signing with Discraft, but the Internet is having fun with the possibility.
Inside knowledge? Fill us in Ninja.
lyleoross
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I don't think you get how the internet thingy works. Anything that is remotely fact based is verboten.
So, Paul to Discmania, Simon to Discraftia, right?
Flick Maniac
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Paul is the Discman.
Some of you guys are forgetting that by and large, the leverage for players to re-negotiate their offers from sponsors is very thin. Sponsors can EASILY just say "no thanks".
It's the blessing and the curse of our current market. Manufacturers have too much control, but they also provide much of the opportunity. In business, players are a commodity with an expiration date, and while each is different, the brand will outlast the player under good management.
The fact is, if Paul leaves for Discraft (for example), Innova will be fine. They will take a big gut punch in in PR and in P&L, but they'll still be the biggest manufacturer and biggest company in the sport.
Discraft will gain a ton, but will also assume a TON of risk. Production capacities, stock and logistics, etc.
I know we're all fans of the players here, but we have to still be realistic. Some of the criticisms about who signed what contract and who got the better end of the deal are written from fan perspectives, not investor perspectives.
Just my .02 - read into it (or not) as you like.
It's the blessing and the curse of our current market. Manufacturers have too much control, but they also provide much of the opportunity. In business, players are a commodity with an expiration date, and while each is different, the brand will outlast the player under good management.
The fact is, if Paul leaves for Discraft (for example), Innova will be fine. They will take a big gut punch in in PR and in P&L, but they'll still be the biggest manufacturer and biggest company in the sport.
Discraft will gain a ton, but will also assume a TON of risk. Production capacities, stock and logistics, etc.
I know we're all fans of the players here, but we have to still be realistic. Some of the criticisms about who signed what contract and who got the better end of the deal are written from fan perspectives, not investor perspectives.
Just my .02 - read into it (or not) as you like.
hurricaine
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Hampstead
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I'm honestly still not sure, which is the crazy thing! I can see both outcomes happening. Each of the sides is SURE they're right, but I get the sense that the battle isn't over until the ink is dry. Paul is clever with these things.
That's probably why he told those DG Group people that they could stay outside when he negotiates with Innova. Whoever he ends up with, I'd bet he gets a better deal doing it himself than having them represent him.
