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The Hips

Adding pumping of the swing/windmill acceleration gif:

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Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/distancesecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.

Starting at the peak of your reach back, you dont engage the hips yet. First you guide/pull/drag the disc into the power pocket. I think you do this during the Hershiser move where your hips slide/lead your body forward. Hershiser leads into power pocket. Now here is where you combine the windmill acceleration with beato drill and walkers closed shoulder to apply acceleration to the move.

The first thing I think I was missing with the Beato drill was that I thought he was hugging himself and then realized that was not the case. But what I was missing in that drill is applying SW22s windmill feeling of using the lower body to power the Beato drill.

The next thing Im realizing is that closed shoulders arent about the line of the disc. Open shoulders may mean you are going to pull your shot, but more importantly it means that your lower body is no longer applying power and you are decelerating because the tension between hips and shoulders is gone. So you have to keep the shoulders closed while guiding the disc into the pocket while Hershising and then stepping hard on the gas at the power pocket/hit.

So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.

Does this make sense? If Im on the right track here, I have a lot of work to do to ingrain that change of using the lower body later in the swing than I am currently.
 
I don't think that's quite right. You don't step hard on the gas (or crush the can) at the power pocket/hit. Crushing the can is what initiates everything. From there its a smooth acceleration through the hit. Eagle's front foot hasn't moved a pixel hardly from the top of his backswing to the release.

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Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/distancesecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.

Starting at the peak of your reach back, you dont engage the hips yet. First you guide/pull/drag the disc into the power pocket. I think you do this during the Hershiser move where your hips slide/lead your body forward. Hershiser leads into power pocket. Now here is where you combine the windmill acceleration with beato drill and walkers closed shoulder to apply acceleration to the move.

The first thing I think I was missing with the Beato drill was that I thought he was hugging himself and then realized that was not the case. But what I was missing in that drill is applying SW22s windmill feeling of using the lower body to power the Beato drill.

The next thing Im realizing is that closed shoulders arent about the line of the disc. Open shoulders may mean you are going to pull your shot, but more importantly it means that your lower body is no longer applying power and you are decelerating because the tension between hips and shoulders is gone. So you have to keep the shoulders closed while guiding the disc into the pocket while Hershising and then stepping hard on the gas at the power pocket/hit.

So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.

Does this make sense? If Im on the right track here, I have a lot of work to do to ingrain that change of using the lower body later in the swing than I am currently.

I agree with much of what you are saying except for the sequence of the gas pedal, and the body doesn't work on a flat horizontal swing plane.

The gas pedal move should be initiated while the arm/disc is still going back in backswing. It initiates the shift forward into the front heel and transition ground up into forward swing. You can see Wiggins in frame 2-3 making the gas pedal move and his rear foot is airborne before the elbow even bends.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133319
 
So to summarize from the peak of backswing, you Hershiser leading with your hips while dragging disc into the power pocket keeping shoulders closed and then you apply the windmill gif lower body/hip energy/acceleration at the hit.

Lead with hersh but then I think of it more as leaving the disc behind, simultaneously. So as left cheek is going forward your hand/disc is getting left behind (rather than coming forward into the power pocket at this time).

Just as you can see in hubs windmill drill where he talks about "equal and opposite" https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131941&highlight=windmill

SW talked about this in his "door frame drills". Same thing. I think this is crucial; otherwise, you inevitably end up trying to throw prematurely.

Sorry for wall of text and lack of apostrophes but my keyboard sucks.

I was looking at this gif and me trying to apply it to a horizontal plane is where I kind of am as a thrower right now. Then, I was reading this article and think I had an aha moment combining this gif with Brads closed shoulder and Beato drills.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/distancesecrets.shtml

This windmill move helps you really feel how using your lower body accelerates the arm/disc like stepping on the gas pedal. The problem is that when I just move it horizontally is that my natural tendency is to step on the gas at peak of my reach back which gives me a nice sling of my arm but I think means that peak acceleration has happened before the hit. Daves article above talking about the hit and acceleration there made this click for me. So now I want to understand if I have the sequencing correct.

So, I was trying to do what you were trying to do to in applying a lot of the info to a horizontal swing plane. That's probably where the breakdown is honestly. I now think of it as more a vertical swing and it's so much easier to use the ground as leverage with this mentality. If you're like me, it'll take awhile for your mind to process how exactly this works out but game changer:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134415
 
I appreciate all the thorough responses here. I was just reading a reach back timing thread and realized my whole timing is fubar which is consistent with your feedback here. This damn game...
 
Damn that final look at the path of his hips from above was really telling. It's all lateral as opposed to that inch or two shift forward. Really helps visualize some of the things I've been fixing.

Would a stagger that's too big essentially be a diagonal line from that view? As if you're moving forward off the wall while making the lateral shift forward?
 
Damn that final look at the path of his hips from above was really telling. It's all lateral as opposed to that inch or two shift forward. Really helps visualize some of the things I've been fixing.

Would a stagger that's too big essentially be a diagonal line from that view? As if you're moving forward off the wall while making the lateral shift forward?
Not sure I'm following the 1st part regarding lateral vs forward. Are you talking about the first AMG "clearing the hips" vid in this thread?

The more you stagger/close off your stance, then the wall/buttwipe should be relatively diagonal with the stance. Most people struggle with this when staggering/closing off too much and hump the goat with the rear leg and get jammed behind the front hip.
 
Not sure I'm following the 1st part regarding lateral vs forward. Are you talking about the first AMG "clearing the hips" vid in this thread?



The more you stagger/close off your stance, then the wall/buttwipe should be relatively diagonal with the stance. Most people struggle with this when staggering/closing off too much and hump the goat with the rear leg and get jammed behind the front hip.



I was talking about Brodie Smith and the software tracking his hip motion while he was working on butt wipe. His movement was forward and then targetward on the bad example and completely lateral in the good example.

I could see the stagger being a diagonal shift off the wall and it sort of perfectly explains why it's bad to me.
 
Not sure I'm following the 1st part regarding lateral vs forward. Are you talking about the first AMG "clearing the hips" vid in this thread?

The more you stagger/close off your stance, then the wall/buttwipe should be relatively diagonal with the stance. Most people struggle with this when staggering/closing off too much and hump the goat with the rear leg and get jammed behind the front hip.

I was playing around with a straight stride the other day. Like, directly down the target line from my rear foot. Feels waaay easier to turn into the backswing via the hip/pelvis, and the door frame position comes a lot more naturally.
 
I recently had a bit of a revelation, or so I hope, regarding the hips. I have for so long tried to find ways to generate power using my legs and hips, and I have struggled with consistency.

After watching a bunch of Shawn Clement videos, his mantra of: "Go get the ground, get the body out of the way" suddenly clicked with me. I tried to incorporate this in my throw by doing the following:

1. Weight on rear instep, push body out of the way so I can get into my back swing

2. Weight on front instep, push body out of the way so I can swing towards the target

At no point did I try to throw it hard or generate power, instead I simply try to give myself space to properly swing. I could comfortably throw around 90% of my previous max distance with little effort, and I was hitting my lines much better than I normally do. It felt clean and efficient.

After closer examination, I realize that this is more or less the elephant walk drill, and probably butt wipe drill, as well as most of SW22's other drills. Some of us need to hear the same thing many times and in many different ways before it gets through.

Anyway, just wanted to share this aha-moment. Does it sound like a step in the right direction?
 

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