Doubles Odd-Man Ace Pot/CTP's

[crohn321]

Hello,

I'm curious about what other clubs in the nation/world do regarding ace pot/CTP opportunities for the odd-man out during doubles. I know that typically the odd-man (clint, cali, han, etc.) gets one extra shot per hole. Which of these two options do you all typically see:

1) The odd-man can only win ace pot/CTP money with their 1st shot off the tee.

-or-

2) The odd-man is still eligible for ace pot/CTP money if they choose to use a second shot off the tee.

Thank you for your input.

 

[EarthRocker]

3) Lone Wolf has the option of paying double the entry fee, then gets two shots from everywhere. If he hits an ace, regardless of which throw, he cashes.

In your scenario, I can only imagine the drama that would erupt if someone said, "Hey, that Player B shot doesn't count." So while I've never seen it happen and therefore can't really say for sure how it would be handled, my gut tells me the money belongs to he or she who aces the hole - period.

Put another way: if I were the TD/League Runner, I'd make sure it was understood as I have it here. It might be controversial, but as long as everyone knows going in...there can't be any bad blood. Similar to the Richard who told our card, "Just so you know, if I hit the ace, I DO NOT split that with my partner." It may have seemed like a jerky stance, but we all knew, so no surprises.

Spoiler: He did not ace. Not even close.

 

[Hampstead]

Two throws per hole means Cali can use two drives for ace runs. Pretty standard.

CTP's are different. If you pay, you get one chance at CTP. Period. Cali's first throw is CTP throw, no bonus warmup throws.

 

[Cgkdisc]

If the Cali player wants their second drive to count for an ace, just have them pay double into the ace pool, $2 instead of $1, for example.

 

[Future_Primitive]

Hello,

I'm curious about what other clubs in the nation/world do regarding ace pot/CTP opportunities for the odd-man out during doubles. I know that typically the odd-man (clint, cali, han, etc.) gets one extra shot per hole. Which of these two options do you all typically see:

1) The odd-man can only win ace pot/CTP money with their 1st shot off the tee.

-or-

2) The odd-man is still eligible for ace pot/CTP money if they choose to use a second shot off the tee.

Thank you for your input.

I have seen it both ways and as long as everyone knows the rules before the Cali flip then its all good. In our league Cali usually has to pay a second entry fee if they win the Cali flip as people often want to be Cali. Being that they are usually paying double we allow the 2nd shot to count towards the Ace and CTPs.

 

[F. Howl]

#2 at our weekly. In the 4 years I've been running our dubs, I've never seen anyone Ace with their second throw.

 

[kenjiac]

It is cali's choice how they use their additional throw. If they parked on the 1st throw why not run an ace on the 2nd? Tha's how we do it locally. Cali can take 2 shots at an ace if they choose.

 

[Hampstead]

Why in the world would Cali get two CTP throws? So what if you have a partner or not? Everyone gets one CTP throw. Ace is different since some places split the pot. Had a guy get pissed at me when I told him his second throw didn't count for the $50 CTP. Once we discussed it, he calmed down and realized it wouldn't make sense for him to get two cracks at it when everyone else who paid got one.

 

[GoobyPls]

In the league I run, the Mulligan Man gets one extra shot per hole, or they can pay an additional entry fee for two shots from every spot. Aces and CTP on second shots still count and don't require an extra fee.

 

[Hampstead]

In the league I run, the Mulligan Man gets one extra shot per hole, or they can pay an additional entry fee for two shots from every spot. Aces and CTP on second shots still count and don't require an extra fee.

Out of curiosity, why would mulligan get two CTP throws when everyone else only gets one? Is it customary to split CTP's with your partner? If not, you're screwing everyone else who only gets one throw. I'm seriously confused how that works.

 

[DavidSauls]

I haven't played local doubles in recent years but, when I did, we paid the Cali guy for aces, just like any other ace. No conditions.

As others have said, there is no right or wrong way to do it (other than to not decide on a rule until after it happens).

One benefit of paying for the Cali aces is simplicity. You don't need a rule or reminders; you just pay for aces, period.

With the theory that aces are rare enough, on most courses, that the increased odds benefitting the Cali player are statistically insignificant; that being Cali was the luck of the draw; and that over the course of time, everyone is likely to be Cali, sooner or later, and get their infinitesimally better shot of their own.

 

[Jay Dub]

I understand a Cali has a small extra benefit with 2 throws when it comes to ace funds. But I also don't remember hearing about ace pots won by someone playing Cali. I'm sure it's happened before but not enough to be concerned about them getting an advantage over everyone else.

The odds are small so I'll go by the old K.I.S.S. rule.

Keep it simple s....

 

[Steve West]

I understand a Cali has a small extra benefit with 2 throws when it comes to ace funds. But I also don't remember hearing about ace pots won by someone playing Cali. I'm sure it's happened before but not enough to be concerned about them getting an advantage over everyone else.

The odds are small so I'll go by the old K.I.S.S. rule.

Keep it simple s....

Most people get that rule wrong. It's "Keep It Stupid-Simple". As in, that's how simple you want to keep it.

The other way: "Keep it Simple, Stupid!" is just an insult to the person you're giving the advice to.

 

[Lazerface]

It's funny how regional this may be.

In every doubles league around St. Louis I've participated in (a lot) only the FIRST Cali drive counts toward an ace. Same for 50/50s typically, but for other freebie CTPs they usually allow either throw.

I have never seen an option to double the entry fee to have two throws from each lie, nor a double buy into ace pots/5050 for both throws to count.

I have always thought both shots from a Cali should count toward an ace and actually love the double buy idea as well.

 

[tbonesocrul]

Most people get that rule wrong. It's "Keep It Stupid-Simple". As in, that's how simple you want to keep it.

The other way: "Keep it Simple, Stupid!" is just an insult to the person you're giving the advice to.

Thankfully I'm usually misquoting it to myself

 

[GoobyPls]

Out of curiosity, why would mulligan get two CTP throws when everyone else only gets one? Is it customary to split CTP's with your partner? If not, you're screwing everyone else who only gets one throw. I'm seriously confused how that works.

Mostly because nobody wants to deal with the headache. Pretty much all leagues in this area are run the same way mine is. It all averages out in the long run anyway.

 

[Hampstead]

Mostly because nobody wants to deal with the headache. Pretty much all leagues in this area are run the same way mine is. It all averages out in the long run anyway.

Are CTP's optional cash buy-in or free prizes available to everyone? If optional cash, not sure how giving people who pay the same number of throws is a headache. If they're just free prizes, still not sure how it's a headache but not as big of a deal as a bonus throw for cash. I just know that if I pay $1 or whatever and get 1 throw that I'd be pissed if someone else paid $1 to get 2 throws.

 

[Hampstead]

I understand a Cali has a small extra benefit with 2 throws when it comes to ace funds. But I also don't remember hearing about ace pots won by someone playing Cali. I'm sure it's happened before but not enough to be concerned about them getting an advantage over everyone else.

The odds are small so I'll go by the old K.I.S.S. rule.

Keep it simple s....

I've hit 3 ace pots as Cali. Around here we split, so throwing solo is extra incentive to ace. Especially when an unsplit ace pays more than 1st.

 

[GoobyPls]

Are CTP's optional cash buy-in or free prizes available to everyone? If optional cash, not sure how giving people who pay the same number of throws is a headache. If they're just free prizes, still not sure how it's a headache but not as big of a deal as a bonus throw for cash. I just know that if I pay $1 or whatever and get 1 throw that I'd be pissed if someone else paid $1 to get 2 throws.

They're both. I always have two cash CTP's, and about half the time I have prizes as a third CTP (unwanted discs I got from a players pack, donated discs, a micro-basket, a pack of donated socks once). Nobody here has ever come to me complaining about what you're describing. Everybody has been Mulligan Man at some point, or will be. It all comes out in the wash.

 

[Hampstead]

They're both. I always have two cash CTP's, and about half the time I have prizes as a third CTP (unwanted discs I got from a players pack, donated discs, a micro-basket, a pack of donated socks once). Nobody here has ever come to me complaining about what you're describing. Everybody has been Mulligan Man at some point, or will be. It all comes out in the wash.

Fair enough.


Glad we don't do that