PDGA World Championships 2022

[beereakfast]

What was BS about the ending? Last 5 holes each their own unique drama. Paul OB on 15 loses 2 strokes. AG runs but just barely misses the 32' putt on 16, then Paul drains the 30' putt. Paul's drive on 17 200' feet short of AG's drive, but then he throws an incredible 2nd shot while AG's 2nd shot was fair at best. Then Paul drains the 69' putt. Then AG's incredible 2nd shot on 18 to force OT.

Not sure one can ask for a more intense ending.

I fully understand the rules. I simply disagree. If landing on the island, well clear of the water isn't good enough, why not make everything outside c1 ob? As if just hitting the wall was too easy. Punishing legit shots does not 'grow the sport'.

 

[@CD-]

I understand the premise but NOT the conclusion. Obviously there is a weakness there. But she is a 22-yr-old whose game hasn't gotten to all it's gonna be yet. You are basically saying that if she improves her putting she will win, but that doesn't take into account others' improvement. As I said earlier, Kristin also missed her share of "makeable" putts in round 3. Put those in the KT column and there is NO WAY Henna comes close. I'm not saying she didn't play well, because she did. She finished 2nd at Worlds for goodness' sake. But to expect her to be an even better putter than she normally is, on the biggest stage, in front of the largest crowds, with the most cameras following her, in a foreign country, etc., is an unrealistic expectation for such a young player whose game isn't totally honed yet, and who hasn't been on this stage ever before.

Just plain an unrealistic expectation.

Tattar
2022 putting stats:
74.5% C1x / 16.59% C2
Worlds putting stats:
79.59% C1x / 30.77% C2

Blomroos
2022 putting stats:
56.05% C1x / 5.69% C2
Worlds putting stats:
57.41% C1x / 5.26% C2

Seems like Tattar outperformed on the green even with the R3 'down' performance. What % outperformance was due to calm conditions and what % due to clutch putting at the biggest tournament?

I don't expect anything from a player, just pointing out someone who could be dominating if they get close to 90% from 20ft and in. Her 9 stroke advantage in Tee->Green over the 2nd place Handley made me curious just how close a matchup it would have been if she had Catrina Allen-like putting stats (another player that has overcome putting woes in the last couple years and had more success with a solid putting routine/mindset).

Don't think crowds/cameras played much of a part for the first through fourth rounds (probably less or equal to most DGPT events...) but maybe the pressure from being on lead card for Rd 2, 4, & 5 at ECC factored in.

 

[beereakfast]

Do tell.

More ob makes us more legit? Please explain to me how an island needs more ob. I'll wait....

 

[BogeyNoMore]

You guys were so critical of Henna who played above her rating and gave it her best to finish second; yet Gossage misses three putts in the 30-38' range, fails to get up & down from 200' wide open twice, and from 300' once -- and nothing but praise (any one of which wins the tourney for him). Please tell me the difference for the young woman vs the 25-, 26-yr-old man??

1) Gossage didnt miss close range putts.
2) Gossage didnt three put.

Henna three putted #17 in rd 4, and #9 in round 5.

As I said, no one came close to her tee to green stat. I didn't come down on her for missing C2 or even long C1 putts. I specifically said 10-15 ft puts most tourney players make.

 

[Jolt]

I think Paul winning the coin toss in the playoff was VERY important. .

But wonder why Paul did not lay up in the playoff. . harder shot?

 

[Jolt]

Fun to see Kristin holding her World champ ed. Grace on instagram. . .so Lat 64 must have had this disc done long before she even started her last round.

 

[araytx]

The discussion seemed fair in that her youth and relative inexperience were acknowledged as factors, and her elite performance off the tee was praised, but there were clearly strokes left on the table with missing short putts.

You don't see the difference between missing putts from 10-15 feet vs 30-38 feet?

Also, how much was Gossage in the lead vs Henna? Two very different performances while playing above ratings/expectations.

Were you guys watching the same thing I was? Gossage made a host of bad mistakes to open McBeth's door.
I don't see an MPO who wants to win a Worlds title missing a 20' putt (Hole 1), 25' (hole 3), 38' (hole 7), 30' (hole 8) OR fail to get up & down from 200' without a major obstacle (holes 7 & 8-- approaches should have been much closer) and that's just the front nine. I know he also missed inside the circle on 16, and failed to get into C1 on #17 wide open from 300'


Converting any ONE of those things wins a title. Again, yet nothing but praise. I thought the topic was making shots you're supposed to make under pressure to win Worlds," but maybe I was wrong.


Fyi, I'm on the long drive and day to play Selah Ranch one last time, so I'll be out the rest of the day.

 

[Jolt]

Nice to see Innova with a pic of Paul in full Discraft gear with the text "Congratulations to 6X World Champion" on their instagram. .

 

[Jolt]

That 2nd place trophy that Henna got looks way better than the 1st place one

 

[araytx]

Tattar
2022 putting stats:
74.5% C1x / 16.59% C2
Worlds putting stats:
79.59% C1x / 30.77% C2

Blomroos
2022 putting stats:
56.05% C1x / 5.69% C2
Worlds putting stats:
57.41% C1x / 5.26% C2

Seems like Tattar outperformed on the green even with the R3 'down' performance. What % outperformance was due to calm conditions and what % due to clutch putting at the biggest tournament?

I don't expect anything from a player, just pointing out someone who could be dominating if they get close to 90% from 20ft and in. Her 9 stroke advantage in Tee->Green over the 2nd place Handley made me curious just how close a matchup it would have been if she had Catrina Allen-like putting stats (another player that has overcome putting woes in the last couple years and had more success with a solid putting routine/mindset).

Don't think crowds/cameras played much of a part for the first through fourth rounds (probably less or equal to most DGPT events...) but maybe the pressure from being on lead card for Rd 2, 4, & 5 at ECC factored in.

Catrina didn't overcome her putting woes at that age in that situation. It took years.

 

[Flick Maniac]

Awesome finish, 15 to playoff. Lots of back and forth. McBeth 2nd & 3rd shots on 18 were the clutchness of clutch.

Surprised to see him so emotional at the interview. The Beast is human after all.

 

[BionicRib]

I think Paul winning the coin toss in the playoff was VERY important. .

But wonder why Paul did not lay up in the playoff. . harder shot?

Where on the water would you have him lay up?

 

[TurnedOver]

Where on the water would you have him lay up?

There is a lay up area to the right, on the other side of the bridge, before the drop zone. It looks tricky though, and very few players used it.

 

[nothinbuttree]

I think Paul winning the coin toss in the playoff was VERY important. .

But wonder why Paul did not lay up in the playoff. . harder shot?

If he ran that putt on 18 he wasn't laying up on 16. He was playing to win. Besides, ii is probably not a shot they practice throwing much.

 

[nothinbuttree]

I think Paul winning the coin toss in the playoff was VERY important. .

But wonder why Paul did not lay up in the playoff. . harder shot?

If he ran that putt on 18 he wasn't laying up on 16. He was playing to win. Besides, it is probably not a shot they practice throwing much.

 

[Jolt]

If he ran that putt on 18 he wasn't laying up on 16. He was playing to win. Besides, it is probably not a shot they practice throwing much.

But in the playoff, wouldnt it be easier to play out to the right close to the dropzone then lay up to the island. . isnt that the whole point to have the right side safe if you dont want to go for the island.
Paul know he needed a par for the win, so what is the safest way to get that par?

 

[Jolt]

Where on the water would you have him lay up?

Big lay up area to the right, many FPO players used it. .
But i guess Paul NEVER practiced that shot. .

 

[BionicRib]

Big lay up area to the right, many FPO players used it. .
But i guess Paul NEVER practiced that shot. .

Or he just has more confidence throwing something that will land flat from that distance than from 100ft or more in the landing area. Less chance to catch the edge and roll ob.

 

[Rastnav]

If he ran that putt on 18 he wasn't laying up on 16. He was playing to win. Besides, ii is probably not a shot they practice throwing much.

Agreed. Also, I think Paul likely runs his birdie putt if Gossage makes it from the drop zone. Nate Doss says it's the wrong play as the putt goes in.

It's worth considering that Ohn tried to layup earlier in the week and went OB. Plus, if your shot after your layup leaves you a lengthy putt, you've now brought bogey or even double bogey into play. You are taking birdie off the table. You are letting Gossage back into it even if you execute the layup.

Paul said after last years Worlds that he was "never laying up again" and I think that was exactly the kind of scenario where that applies. Don't assume the other guy screwing up means he can't hit a great shot to out himself back into it.

 

[txmxer]

But in the playoff, wouldnt it be easier to play out to the right close to the dropzone then lay up to the island. . isnt that the whole point to have the right side safe if you dont want to go for the island.
Paul know he needed a par for the win, so what is the safest way to get that par?

He didn't KNOW he needed a PAR for the W, but yes it was likely.

I don't think laying up would have made any sense at all though. Most likely worst case is he goes OB going for the island (same as AG), they both make a 4 and move on to the next hole.

If he lays up, the next throw is not a gimme. Still need to hit the island, then it may be a difficult putt, leaving him with a 4--same score as AG would likely get.

Going for the island was the only reasonable choice IMO.