UncleBrother2001
aka Starfirebird/Uncle Matt
I'm a big fan of the Pure,Fuse and Fury. I have tried others before but they haven't stayed in the bag long.
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UncleBrother2001
aka Starfirebird/Uncle Matt
Going to be giving the Saint another go. Took a disc out and put this one in. Hoping it works out for me.
UncleBrother2001
aka Starfirebird/Uncle Matt
I also failed to mention the XXX and the Trident. In my opinion the 2 best utility discs on the market since you know pretty much that is their main use. 
I know I should probably get an Opto in both but I really like the Sweet Spot that the Gold Line gets to. It seems they will both stay that way for a long time.
When they are new meathooks no questions asked,when the gold line is broken in they become a thing of controlled hyzering beauty.
I know I should probably get an Opto in both but I really like the Sweet Spot that the Gold Line gets to. It seems they will both stay that way for a long time.
When they are new meathooks no questions asked,when the gold line is broken in they become a thing of controlled hyzering beauty.
discmonkey42
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Went out and played in some hefty winds yesterday. Threw the Trident on most headwind shots (Giant for longer stuff) and the Pure on most tailwind shots. XXX didn't come out once for some reason.
UncleBrother2001
aka Starfirebird/Uncle Matt
discmonkey42 said:
Dude, you got to throw the Porn disc at least once a round. It may feel neglected. :lol:
UncleBrother2001
aka Starfirebird/Uncle Matt
Just got my hands on a couple of Rivers(170 grams in GL and Opto). Both are great discs and it has become one of my most used discs in my bag due to it's accuracy. They are great for Hyzerflips and they go straight,straight and more straight when you get use to them.
I'm so glad my friend didn't want these anymore.
I'm so glad my friend didn't want these anymore.
JR
* Ace Member *
Yellow Lucid Truth in some winds moderate head and rear winds after about a couple months off after hurting my arm throwing under full power. Netted me a 330' tight s-curve of about 2' turn and 4-5' of fade in a calm spot. Well the place i threw from had no wind but on that kettle of a field the winds often change and there are more than one directions coming at the disc in different stages of flight too often. Seeing as i put another lower throw to 321' i'd say it is a pretty long disc. With those winds and my rusted form i cannot say if those turns came from me or the disc reacting to the wind. I sure suffered from arm dropping down in the follow through on other shots so i am not confident about myself. Gotta clean up my form to the point i can meaning my ankle is not reacting kindly to heel pivots and bracing attempts even after years of recovery time from surgery and lots of training. Like over 2/3 of a cycling marathon solo in the winds on non flat ground partially on sandy roads this summer. Grr. Nice popping sounds from my ankle as i type...
Truth is a decent disc, very buzz-like. It's got a kinda strange feeling lip on the bottom of it though that always seems to mess with my head/grip. Kinda reminds me of the DGA Aftershock in that regard. It certainly flies nice though. I just can't warrant carrying it over a Warship... I think the Warship is the best neutral mid I've thrown in quite a while. They are sneaky long, require little power to throw, very comfortable in the hand, and they don't seem to be super bothered by a little wind. I actually lost my long time VIP thrower in the drink at Maple Hill because I thought the headwind I was throwing into was going to hyzer flip my shot. Needless to say, it did not... and I ended up throwing a beautiful hyzer left of the pin ...right into the pond (hole 7).
The new Claymore's are pretty sick too! Really slim profile, very comfortable grip and a nice neutral flight ...but they will turn over in a medium headwind, so you can't really trust them on a windy day. I'm hoping the Opto run of Claymore's will beef them up a little. Not really seeing the point of the Core now that the Claymore is out. The Claymore is everything the Core should have been.
The new Claymore's are pretty sick too! Really slim profile, very comfortable grip and a nice neutral flight ...but they will turn over in a medium headwind, so you can't really trust them on a windy day. I'm hoping the Opto run of Claymore's will beef them up a little. Not really seeing the point of the Core now that the Claymore is out. The Claymore is everything the Core should have been.
Stringbean
Birdie Member
I've got a Warship in my bag as well, mine has pretty significant fade though so I don't use it as a neutral mid. My max distance with a mid is only 315 feet, so that may be why.
JR
* Ace Member *
The Warship will flip at 315' based on two examples and the glide is the reason why there is some lateral movement in the end. It starts latd though. So if it is going off intl brush it will be close to the green.
Stringbean
Birdie Member
JR said:
Yes, that is what I am seeing... it almost looks like it gets a second wind very late in the flight and then a big forward fade. My first few throws with the Truth were the same way.
JR
* Ace Member *
I got a player's package EC2014 GL Fuse and it is way more hss than the at release bought GL and Opto that i have had. Those turn on me and the EC2014 version does not. i loaned the FR ESP Comet of Smigles and it was way more hss than my second runs and i could not flip it at power. The EC2014 GL Fuse is similar in that it does not make me nervous about flipping or knowing what it will do when i throw it. It stays flat for a long time so it will not deviate from the line easily and if it does it will be late and very little. Because the disc is fast for a mid and even glidier and it likes to stay flat for the most of the flight it stays on the line about ass long as anything being one of the longest mids in existence. If current Fuses of production runs are like that there is a FR ESP Comet replacement available at the shope in production now. Sweet! I smell a trip to the local shop coming up to comapre the EC Fuse to production ones :-D Might have to stock up. It performed well for me and Smigles with annies and nicely for me on hyzers. Smigles went nooo when i putted with it. Just don't tell him that i speed gofled the EC course with it and a Northman alone so guess with which i putted ;-)
Stringbean
Birdie Member
Who is Smigles?
JR
* Ace Member *
He is a DGR member from Switzerland.
JR
* Ace Member *
Missilen is slick but less so in the flat part of the top. It drops with 80 degree hyzer on higher full powered throws. Super beefy and power hungry. Trick disc or for days that you know your form is off and you need a crutch to avoid torquing over. Better for 450'+ than 400' throwers. Short. Finishes left -far left and skips a ton.
JR
* Ace Member *
Did a one disc round with the recycled Fuse in calm to mild winds. The course had some too long holes for me. Or so i thought. In practice i parked a 323'' hole with a two foot uphill. The other one that i reached bit me. It is a say 8-9' downhill with rear wind pushing the disc farther. Because the disc flippied on me at full power i gave it hyzer. The hole is 360' and i was 34' short to a downhill green with no grass from traffic. I started with an achy arm so i knew that it was not gonna work normally and i had a putt slip and an approach slip earlier and the arm was getting nasty on me. At seven birdies and two bogeys it was a good round considering the two drives that i missed hyzer earlier expecting the wind to flip the disc when it did not happen. Iirc i have once thrown 8 birdies on that course so i went for the record on this the 16th hole. And my arm crapped out on me for a slip left of the basket. Of course a gliding fast disc on a downhill without grass goes far so from behind trees my putt transformed a birdie run into a bogey. Meh. But normally i would not have attacked it with that disc or at all with the arm being spent so no worries.
Afterwards i threw my Opto and the recycled on a soccer field. And the Opto is more hss. So even better in the wind. At full tilt the recycled flipped 3-4 degrees and the Opto 2. The fade seems to be the same. I did not bring the EC2014 Fuse because why would i use it when regular ones fly well? The Opto is tacky enough for approaches and drives even for me when it is not wet and the temps were around 16-18 C.
Can you see that i love them? I threw the recycled mostly flat during the round because it starts to flip only at speed. It needs a good plane preservation though and no wrist rolling.
Afterwards i threw my Opto and the recycled on a soccer field. And the Opto is more hss. So even better in the wind. At full tilt the recycled flipped 3-4 degrees and the Opto 2. The fade seems to be the same. I did not bring the EC2014 Fuse because why would i use it when regular ones fly well? The Opto is tacky enough for approaches and drives even for me when it is not wet and the temps were around 16-18 C.
Can you see that i love them? I threw the recycled mostly flat during the round because it starts to flip only at speed. It needs a good plane preservation though and no wrist rolling.
Yeah, the Recycled versions of their popular molds are pretty interesting. Personally I love the feel of the plastic, but what i'm finding is when brand new they fly like a slightly more overstable version of their opto/gold version, but then they quickly break in to a more understable version than the opto mold. Final state is probably pretty similar to worn in gold line. It's particularly annoying to me because I think the way those discs molded up was perfect. For example, a brand new Recycled Saint flies like a Gold Line Saint Pro, it's beautiful... The Pure's, Fuses, Saints, and Halos got a perfect gradual dome that really gives them a little extra glide (IMHO) though admittedly makes some of them (I'm looking at you Pures) a little awkward to grip. Even the Claymores seem to have started more overstable in Recycled line than they are in Opto though many reports now are saying they're getting quite flippy.
Major bummer on the Opto Claymores from most accounts. Not stable enough to be the Latitude Buzzz and almost as understable as a Fuse with a much stronger fade. I was really hoping for something to launch flat and have it fly 300' flat, before it faded out ever so slightly. I had hoped this mold would replace the Core, but it really sounds like its going to be the same as the Cores I came to know and hate. Maybe there's hope for a Claymore Pro?
Major bummer on the Opto Claymores from most accounts. Not stable enough to be the Latitude Buzzz and almost as understable as a Fuse with a much stronger fade. I was really hoping for something to launch flat and have it fly 300' flat, before it faded out ever so slightly. I had hoped this mold would replace the Core, but it really sounds like its going to be the same as the Cores I came to know and hate. Maybe there's hope for a Claymore Pro?
JR
* Ace Member *
My domey Recycled Fuse is less hss than my Opto Fuse that is flatter at the top. Often mids are less hss with a taller dome. Rocs are a good example of that. Those Fuses are not equal with other shapes than the dome though so i cannot say for sure that the dome on this mold influences hss significantly. If anything the Opto has a lower plh but off the top of my head i cannot remember which disc has a more concave wing. The Opto iirc has a blunter nose and the shoulders differ too just like rim height. A different flight is not surprising.
What is really nice is that these different discs fly so well and under powered to say 200-280' they do not flip too much or at all if you start slow and snap hard with very little fade. So in calm weather they fly very much the same. With that said the Opto has more safety margin.
What is really nice is that these different discs fly so well and under powered to say 200-280' they do not flip too much or at all if you start slow and snap hard with very little fade. So in calm weather they fly very much the same. With that said the Opto has more safety margin.
HeartlessCynic
* Ace Member *
Looks like the Mace just booted the Rocs from my bag. I like that so far the 5 I've bought have been nicely flat even in the premium plastics. I'm mostly throwing the Zero Hards though.
My Missilen isn't that beefy. I only throw 400' on my good days but my Missilen will hold a very slight anny until the very end of its flight. Difference from my other drivers being that it gets to 400' low and fast on a relatively straight line. Hyzer or flat releases fade out early without headwind assistance. I need to spend more time with it.
My Missilen isn't that beefy. I only throw 400' on my good days but my Missilen will hold a very slight anny until the very end of its flight. Difference from my other drivers being that it gets to 400' low and fast on a relatively straight line. Hyzer or flat releases fade out early without headwind assistance. I need to spend more time with it.
