Rules: Point of contact

[sstieg]

When playing a mandatory or a horseshoe hole where you're throwing and the direction of aiming your shot do not match, where does your foot (point of contact) have to be? Is it always in a straight line with the hole or is it in a straight line with the direction you're throwing?

For example, if you're playing a horseshoe hole where you throw a bad shot and the hole is at 3 o'clock and the direction you are throwing is at 12 o'clock because there is no path directly to the hole do to trees and brush; do you place your last point of contact at 6 o'clock or 9 o'clock?

Sorry for the confusing post.

 

[Vegan Ray]

803.12D:

When marking the lie, if the line of play does not pass to the correct side of the mandatory, then the mandatory itself shall be considered the hole for the application of all rules regarding stance, markers, obstacles, and relief. For the purposes of taking a legal stance, the mandatory object which has not yet been passed, and is nearest the tee, will be considered to be the hole.

 

[adam423]

Rules say on the line of play, so I would assume that means the direction you're going to throw. Not sure though.

lie is established by the placing of a marker. This can be done by placing a mini marker disc on the playing surface between the hole and the disc, directly in line with the hole, on the line of play, touching the thrown disc.

Ray, not sure if that applies, he didn't say the hole had a mando.

 

[biscoe]

what ray said for the mando- if no mando then 9 o'clock.

 

[Dave242]

That is a great and astute question that even many seasoned tournament players do not consider (and therefore do not comply with). If there is no mando, the line of play is defined as a straight line from the basket to the center of your mini/disc, so your support point ends up being along side your mini (or disc) in relation to the direction of the fairway when dealing with U or L shaped holes.

 

[Vegan Ray]

Ray, not sure if that applies, he didn't say the hole had a mando.

4th word in his post is "mandatory".

 

[DGRZ001]

It doesn't matter which way you are throwing, your point of contact has to be in a straight line with the hole, or with the nearest mandatory if a line between your lie and the hole passes on the wrong side of the mandatory.

 

[sstieg]

Thanks for the replies!
So if there is a mando then the line of play is a straight line from the mando through the disc. If it's a U shaped hole(no mando) it's a straight line from the hole through the disc and not the line of play even if the curved part of the U has not been passed. Thanks!

 

[Vegan Ray]

U got it, sstieg.

 

[adam423]

4th word in his post is "mandatory".

Haha, yea, I skimmed it. I conveniently forgot that part and just remembered the horseshoe part. :doh:

 

[Greenstezz]

This is good to know, thanks guys!