disc-golf-neil
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I haven't heard this described as something to try to do actively. If it has, please link, otherwise I'm curious if people think it has potential to be a good cue.
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Hey man, thanks for popping in. Hopefully I understood your intent and gave it a fair shake above!I love it when content gets judged before watching it. No, I don't sell you the thighmaster. The move is just a comparison to a thighmaster, which, of course is pointed to be AGE OLD INFORMATION that everybody knew already.
I think that's mostly because he encodes it in the context of the overall move in balance (emphasizes it as an effect or result of other actions).No problem.
I think it's a super simple move, but of course everything is once you know it. One thing I sometimes (read: every time) forget is I'm physically so active that the muscles are used to working in sync even if I don't try to move them, which makes the above mentioned thigh master moves and such quite simple add-ons to my existing form.
Curiously enough the move is claimed to have been "invented" and taught for years by Seabass, but no one else seems to have heard of this before. I know I hadn't.
Also just wanted to acknowledge that this is a big deal and part of the general issue when people try to go "shopping around" among form or coaching points. Almost every single thing I've seen worth repeating (IMHO) requires context to understand, and a part of understanding is already knowing how to move in one way or another. There are a number of real things to disagree or ask further questions about, but a fairly big percentage of the problem is people seeing things without conceptual or motor context and talking past one another (or just arguing if they're talking at all). I'm very sympathetic to what you say here. I myself am alarmed at things I 'knew' a year or two ago that suddenly work much better for me, or I understand them better suddenly only when my body is ready to learn them. Everyone has a different history and future.I think it's a super simple move, but of course everything is once you know it. One thing I sometimes (read: every time) forget is I'm physically so active that the muscles are used to working in sync even if I don't try to move them, which makes the above mentioned thigh master moves and such quite simple add-ons to my existing form.
***Edit: I should also mention that I am always willing to take this stuff offline/privately if you're interested. No need to make it about putting people "on blast," I just care about the contents and concepts.This is what I think separates my version from Seabass'; may he claim the ownership of it as much as he wants:
As I see in the GIFs posted above, the Seabass move is nothing more than letting the momentum continue sideways until the back leg hits the front. That is not the ThighMaster move, which happens by contracting the muscles in the front leg, especially the inner thigh (and this is the first time I endorse muscle work in any move). I'm telling you to PULL the back leg to hit the front leg, not just swing it gently. I want it to be abrupt and fast.
When it comes to owning knowledge, I think it's all in the public domain. I'm fine as long as people get the information wherever they find it easier to absorb. Our sandbox is too small to fight over toys.
Hey dude, I get it. Here's what I yell at sometimes. I'll share it with you next time we are both without a TV ;-)I had a quick watch this morning, interesting take on it, i get a feel kind of like that but this level of brace mechanics is above my skill level. No offense intended @Jaani it was my semi regular Friday night drunk fest and i didnt have a TV to yell at. jaa
Curiously enough the move is claimed to have been "invented" and taught for years by Seabass, but no one else seems to have heard of this before. I know I hadn't.
You asked in your vid if people thought it was a gimmick, and I only posted to lend some credence to what you were teaching, not start some internet fight. I wasn't bragging and never claimed to have invented anything or say that you stole anything. Not sure where you are inferring that from?This is what I think separates my version from Seabass'; may he claim the ownership of it as much as he wants:
As I see in the GIFs posted above, the Seabass move is nothing more than letting the momentum continue sideways until the back leg hits the front. That is not the ThighMaster move, which happens by contracting the muscles in the front leg, especially the inner thigh (and this is the first time I endorse muscle work in any move). I'm telling you to PULL the back leg to hit the front leg, not just swing it gently. I want it to be abrupt and fast.
When it comes to owning knowledge, I think it's all in the public domain. I'm fine as long as people get the information wherever they find it easier to absorb. Our sandbox is too small to fight over toys.
That is the correct feel, the rear femur rotates forward underneath the pelvis and shin rotates facing down/heel up foot eversion from the instep driving everything from the ground up and blocking the lower spine upright on the braced front femur creating internal torque or squeeze between the thighs to the torso/arm/disc. It's like riding a twirling bucking bull and holding upright on to the bull by squeezing the trailing leg into the bull or your front side.
What you see below in red is the guy being thrown off the bull with the legs separating and spine tipping over as the lower spine sways back out away from the target/front side, the front side posture has collapsed. You should be getting more upright into the finish extending the front side angles to whip the arm/disc through.
Usually it's from the YT comments. From what I understand Jaani isn't trying to start some sort of internet fight. People tend to attribute things to you and others, who didn't originate the information, but may have popularized it. I know you don't have the time to read everything that's said about you online, but in my experience people tend to outsize what you do, that you aren't even attempting to claim credit for yourself. The problem we all face is there's a wealth of information - much of it wrong - and even attribution can be wrong, too. (unintentionally)You asked in your vid if people thought it was a gimmick, and I only posted to lend some credence to what you were teaching, not start some internet fight. I wasn't bragging and never claimed to have invented anything or say that you stole anything. Not sure where you are inferring that from?