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These were the first type of golf specific disc that I used. Before that it was "catch" Frisbees. We 1st threw them at a course (West Park) because we bought them at the course from the dude in the van. After the Midnight Flyers and Kittyhawks I gravitated to Discraft, and also favored the Phantom line. I think that we got them out to around 200', but it was ok because the holes were alot shorter back then, for the most part.