What was thrown back in the day...

[Patrick Smith]

I am curious about what you long time players had in your bags during the 80s and early 90s. I am interested in putting together an "old school" bag to play some of the older outdated courses. Not to mention how intriguing it is to look back when stingrays and rocs were the hot drivers.

 

[magictenor1]

When I was playing object back in the late 70's early 80's we just used one regular frisbee. I never say anyone with a bag or actual golf disc. I used the 165g which I think was used for ultimate back then.

 

[Omega SuperSloth]

does anyone know or have a list of what years all of innovas disc came out?

 

[Camgolfer]

This doesn't have everything, but gives a good history of some of the bigger models.

http://www.discgolfwarehouse.com/Disc Evolution/evolution_of_disc_golf_discs.htm

 

[Patrick Smith]

does anyone know or have a list of what years all of innovas disc came out?

http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar...acturer=Innova/ Champion &DiscLine=-1&Type=-1

From this website I got assumed some things in my original question but nothing definate.

My quest is a bag composed of discs from before the large diameter san marino roc (roughly 1987). So stingrays, aviar xd, aero and small diameter roc (classic roc.

My second desire was one revolving around when the viper and cyclone came out. So viper, cyclone, san marino roc and aviars both big bead and little bead (probably can't find a reasonably priced beadless aviar to play around with)

 

[biscoe]

dates they were approved are available here: http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_approved_discs_41609.pdf

 

[Three Putt]

In the late 80's a lot of guys used discs like the Aviar and the Phantom+ for golf shots and still used lids for putting. Disc golf was so small back then that disc selection was regional to a certain extent. Most guys only had two or three discs and no bag.

by 1990 I remember the hot drivers were the Stingray and Eclipse. The Roc was very common, as was the Avair. The Aviar has been really common since it came out. XD's were common. Cobras were very common. Hammers were common. Some guys had discs like the Aero, the Coupe, the Ace, the original Roc and the original Hammer, but even by then those discs were fairly rare.

The discs from back then that are gone mostly are the big diameter drivers. The Innova Scorpion was a big selling disc. A lot of people carried a Phenix becasue it was used to break the distance record, but nobody could actually throw it. Discraft had some big discs like the Shadow and Tracer. One that is still around is the Innova Viper, it was a pretty ubiquitous disc all throughout the 90's.

Lightning had some discs that were popular that are still around: #2 Driver (F-15 Eagle), # 3 Flyer (Spitfire), # 2 Slice (F-8-F Bearcat) are three of them.

Basically what you have to avoid are the small-diameter fast drivers. Discs like the Cyclone and Gazelle didn't show up until '93 or '94, and the next generation of drivers (XL, Banshee, Eagle, TeeBird) didn't come out until '98-'99. So if you want to go old school you have to avoid pretty much anything currently considered a driver.

A lot of people would also think discs like the Rattler and Birdie were around, but they came out later. The golf-sized lid disc that was out at the time was the Super Puppy. Lots and lots of people threw Super Puppies. I don't think you can have an "old-school" bag without one.

 

[Three Putt]

http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar...acturer=Innova/ Champion &DiscLine=-1&Type=-1My quest is a bag composed of discs from before the large diameter san marino roc (roughly 1987). So stingrays, aviar xd, aero and small diameter roc (classic roc.

My second desire was one revolving around when the viper and cyclone came out. So viper, cyclone, san marino roc and aviars both big bead and little bead (probably can't find a reasonably priced beadless aviar to play around with)

Actually, the Roc that came out in '87 is the disc we now know as the "classic" Roc. The 21.7 cm diameter Roc came out later, more like '89.

It's confusing becasue the PDGA management was fairly new at the time, Ed didn't turn the organization over to the players until '83-'84. So when Innova recycled the Roc and Hammer names, they just replaced the old measurements with the new measurements on the approved disc list and left the certification date the same. Now they will give a retooled disc a separate entry and leave the original information, but not back then. So a lot of people see the 21.7 cm measurement and the '87 date on the PDGA approved list and assume that is when the 21.7 cm Roc came out. The actual date that the 21.7 cm Roc and Hammer came out are not on the approved disc list.

 

[Patrick Smith]

The Super Puppy comment was what i was really looking for. I completely forgot about/overlooked it. They are also still available at online retailers which is going to be a sweet score.

Ideally my old school bag would be for old courses/courses with a ssa currently under 46.

The early 90s bag would be for ssa courses 46-50.

 

[craigg]

Patrick,
I've got plenty of Super Puppies if you want one.
In 1983 my bag consisted of an Aero, a beadless Aviar (I've got some of those to - but it'll cost you), a Super Puppy, and a whamo 71 mold.

In 1987, when I started playing tournaments, it was the same bag
But as I started playing more I ended up using an XD, and then the original roc, and a whamo 91 mold (what I learned to roll with). Stingray came out that year, followed the next year by the cobra and the eclipse. Large diam roc showed up late 88 or early 89.
Scorpion showed up in 90, followed closely by the viper and the whippett (all three of which have the exact same rim - just different diameter discs)

 

[Three Putt]

My second desire was one revolving around when the viper and cyclone came out. So viper, cyclone, san marino roc and aviars both big bead and little bead (probably can't find a reasonably priced beadless aviar to play around with)

If you want to go with what I consider the "Cyclone" generation of drivers, they were the Whippet, Cyclone, Griffin, Gazelle, # 1 Driver, X-Clone, Cyclone 2 and Cheetah. All of these discs were on the market by 1995. Once you get to the Polaris LS and Pegasus I think you are into the next generation of drivers.

The Viper was one of the 21.7 cm drivers along with the Stingray, Cobra, Python, Ram and Raven. All of those were out by '95 as well. The bigger diameter Discraft drivers were the Eclipse, Tracer, Shadow and Marauder.

Innova had some even bigger drivers: Scorpion, Barracuda, Phenix, Lynx, Jaguar.

Along with the Lightning discs I already mentioned, the # 2 Flyer (B-2 Stealth), # 1 Hookshot (Dauntless), # 1 Slice (F-6 Hellcat) and # 2 Hookshot (P-38 J Lightning) were big diameter drivers in use at the time as well.

Other than the DGA factored discs like the # 1 Professional Driver and the Destiny/Dynamic discs like the Jet Eye (which you almost never saw anyone throwing), that was the driver selection of 1995.

 

[Three Putt]

a beadless Aviar (I've got some of those to - but it'll cost you)

Craig:

Can you compare the original beadless Aviar to the current beadless Aviar P & A? The only original beadless I've seen were hanging on a wall or in Bob Waidmann's bag. When I ask Bob to compare the original and the new beadless he just shakes his head and says "If you don't know I can't tell you."

Which, come to think of it is how Bob answers all my questions.

At any rate, I've noticed subtle differences between the re-created San Marino Roc and the originals (at least I think I do, all my San Marino's are BEAT so their is some memory involved and that is never good) and I'm assuming the same would go for the beadless Aviars. I'm just not sure what those differences would be.

 

[t i m]

I think I've got some older drivers I can trade you if you need them: Barracudas, Pythons, Raven, RAM, Hammer... not sure what else. They sure aren't getting thrown by me at this point. I've got them slotted to give away soon to beginner players.

 

[westxchef]

My bag in 1993:
San Marino Roc
XD
Aviar
Shadow
Viper
Hammer
Barracuda
Stingray
Cobra

Then The "Game Changer" Discraft's Cyclone came out.

 

[Patrick Smith]

Which aviar? The big bead, small bead like todays P&A, no bead, classic aviar, something i don't even know about?

 

[Three Putt]

I think I've got some older drivers I can trade you if you need them: Barracudas, Pythons, Raven, RAM, Hammer... not sure what else. They sure aren't getting thrown by me at this point. I've got them slotted to give away soon to beginner players.

I can see the other ones, but PLEASE don't give a Ram to a noob. Shove it down into your garbage disposal and turn it on before you give it to a noob.

 

[Three Putt]

Which aviar? The big bead, small bead like todays P&A, no bead, classic aviar, something i don't even know about?

The big bead came along fairly quickly. The original beadless wasn't in production but for 4 or 5 years before the big bead replaced it. The small bead came around a little bit before the big bead I believe, but I could be wrong.

By 1990 very few of the guys I knew who golfed still used the beadless. It was the original "disc snob" disc..."oh, I only use the beadless. Too bad you have not been playing long enough to have one..."

The small bead is not in production anymore (actually it is, it's just called the Millennium Omega and not the Aviar.) It was replaced several years ago with a new beadless mold. So the current P & A is a beadless Aviar.

 

[Three Putt]

My bag in 1993:
San Marino Roc
XD
Aviar
Shadow
Viper
Hammer
Barracuda
Stingray
Cobra

Then The "Game Changer" Discraft's Cyclone came out.

My 1993 bag:

Sky Streak
Spitfire
Hammer
Vortex
F-8-F Bearcat
Stingray
F-15 Eagle
B-2 Stealth
Jaguar
Scorpion

I was pretty casual back then, and there was no Internet to speak of. I didn't see a Cyclone until AFTER I saw a Gazelle the following year.

 

[12StonesScott]

Still have my original DGA Kitty Hawk Driver and Kitty Hawk Putter from early 1983.

 

[Three Putt]

Still have my original DGA Kitty Hawk Driver and Kitty Hawk Putter from early 1983.

What, no Kitty Hawk Hooker?

STILL my all time favorite disc name!