I think the whole card should have been stroked. poor sportsmanship.
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I think the whole card should have been stroked. poor sportsmanship.
The tournament officials met and decided. It might have only been 3 strokes... but anyways...
Felix threw OB where there was a drop zone for OB shots. He marked his lie from where he went OB and threw a shot from there ... THEN his group said OH, wait, here is a drop zone. Then he went to the drop zone and threw from there. It took him 3 from there to put it in. His group decided to ignore the throw from the incorrect lie and act as though he never threw that shot and only recorded the score from the drop zone.
So,
1 Drive OB
2 OB Penalty
3 Shot from OB (ignored by group)
3a Throwing from incorrect lie penalty?
4 Shot from drop
5
6
7 putt in.
His group carded him a 6 even though we told them it was the incorrect score. So he at least got 1 extra plus the incorrect score card. I think it was 4 though and an additional penalty stroke from playing from an incorrect lie, plus that shot itself (3a)
There is a lot going on in this situation. Do you get penalty strokes from throwing from the incorrect lie, then additional penalties when you don't then continue those throws out. Once you have thrown incorrectly and received the penalty then the drop zone is an incorrect lie and he threw from that too. You can't go back and say "nevermind" once you have already thrown the shots.
We just presented what we saw, and I believe I remember the score going up 4 strokes. Never got an official ruling.
True, but it's up to him to know the rules of the tournament he signed up for.
It appeared to be an honest mistake, the drop was just painted in tall grass and hard to see. The rest of the group hung back because his shot was so short and only noticed the drop once he had thrown and they all walked to the next farthest tee shot.
Then they compounded it by feeling "bad" for the mistake and carding him with a lesser score than he got. It was only because people in our group saw the exchange that the TD ever knew.
So I dont think there was any ill intentions there. Good intentions cost him 4-5 more strokes than the original card had on it.
Since the place he threw from was not his actual lie and was figured out before he finished the hole I would count it as a practice throw (1-stroke penalty) and have him finish the hole from the drop zone.
http://www.pdga.com/rules/80104-playing-the-stipulated-course
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I have a friend who has played less than 75 rounds of DG probably and just shot two 945 rounds to win rec, not like he knew where he would rank. Would of gotten 2nd in INT though. I can only imagine the cries at that tourneyopcorn:
Yeah, but that is a dude that didn't have an established rating or experience playing tournaments. There was no way for him to know where he stood in terms of skill to the rest of the field. He gets a pass.
Oh yeah, I was agreeing with what you were saying, per usual.
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yep. this.
incorrect scorecard penalty does not apply either- that is for miscalculated scores- not scores which are wrong based upon incorrect rules interpretations.
it's not something that i believe in personally. hence the line right after. :thmbup:
my question to the guys rated over 980 and still playing Am is, Unless you are planning on getting sponsored by winning some major. why not challenge yourself and play up. if you want to keep your am status you can, just dont take cash. Are you that scared of Jerm and Hank? im sure you play with them regularly. what gives?
My reasons:
1. I am not happy with my consistency, it is my choice to decide whether playing with pros (for the first round) then basically playing against advanced players for following rounds will help with that.
2. I don't agree with the pro payout structure of 100% or more. I think that it robs from the growth of the sport.
3. I play for fun. I don't care about playing bad against lower rated players. Rec to Int to ADV to Open are all different levels of seriousness. I don't care for the tone of disc golf when real money is on the line. It doesnt change my focus me, but it just makes the DG less fun when everyone is so uptight and were I to go Pro I would go to less events. It has nothing to do with wanting to win or knowing I will win. I actually go into every event hoping to finish in the top 25%
4. My skills were not "given" to me. Im not 983 because of some freakish athletic ability. I play smart and consistent. There are many players that are rated lower that putt better, throw farther and more accurately, and have a wider range of shots at their disposal but make poor decisions. I should not be forced to move up because of some number. Yea, maybe im a 1%'er disc golfer. Well go out, practice, and make decisions that card you a par instead of double bogey and you will too. Don't try to take from me because you are stuck. I don't owe any 940 rated disc golfer anything... and when one beats me by 15 strokes at Bowling Green they don't owe me anything either. I don't get to cry that the 925 rated golfer that beat me should have been intermediate.
1. I am not happy with my consistency, it is my choice to decide whether playing with pros (for the first round) then basically playing against advanced players for following rounds will help with that.
2. I don't agree with the pro payout structure of 100% or more. I think that it robs from the growth of the sport.
3. I play for fun. I don't care about playing bad against lower rated players. Rec to Int to ADV to Open are all different levels of seriousness. I don't care for the tone of disc golf when real money is on the line. It doesnt change my focus me, but it just makes the DG less fun when everyone is so uptight and were I to go Pro I would go to less events. It has nothing to do with wanting to win or knowing I will win. I actually go into every event hoping to finish in the top 25%
4. My skills were not "given" to me. Im not 983 because of some freakish athletic ability. I play smart and consistent. There are many players that are rated lower that putt better, throw farther and more accurately, and have a wider range of shots at their disposal but make poor decisions. I should not be forced to move up because of some number. Yea, maybe im a 1%'er disc golfer. Well go out, practice, and make decisions that card you a par instead of double bogey and you will too. Don't try to take from me because you are stuck. I don't owe any 940 rated disc golfer anything... and when one beats me by 15 strokes at Bowling Green they don't owe me anything either. I don't get to cry that the 925 rated golfer that beat me should have been intermediate.
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boom. let's have fun.
Didnt say you owed anyone anything. do you not think that shooting an average over 12months of 983 would allow you to compete in the pro division? i would say you must be consistent if thats your rating and you have played multiple events. is your rating really a home course type rating?
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I my experience the guys playing open are much more laid back, as they don't feel like they have to prove themselves and are comfortable with thier game. It's the guys in advanced that all think they deserve to be the next Climo, and get all pissy when they miss 20' putts.
what division do you play in? what is your rating? are you the next climo?
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Open, 964, definately not.
ok, ok. i admire your honesty.
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I know I have a low rating to be playing open, but that isn't what I based my decision on. It was the fact that it was my time to step aside and let the other AMs get a crack at winning.
I realized there were tournaments that I was playing crappy in, and still finishing in the top 5. There is something wrong with that. You should have to play well to earn your spot in the cash. Plus, I realized that with many of those poor finishes would have put me in the bottom cash in open. Therefore, I would be getting my money back.
Now, I am far more satisfied and proud of myself finishing last cash in open, then I was winning advanced (with the exception of my first win).
Last point. I got way too many discs that I was never going to use.
I realized there were tournaments that I was playing crappy in, and still finishing in the top 5. There is something wrong with that. You should have to play well to earn your spot in the cash. Plus, I realized that with many of those poor finishes would have put me in the bottom cash in open. Therefore, I would be getting my money back.
Now, I am far more satisfied and proud of myself finishing last cash in open, then I was winning advanced (with the exception of my first win).
Last point. I got way too many discs that I was never going to use.
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