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Why do people hate disc golf?

Firstly, kudos to you and your friend for having the desire and drive to actually go out and be active in improving you scene.

Secondly, "people" that arent in the know, associate disc golf with several negative stigmas that have been covered ad nauseum in other threads, sadly even though the entire population of disc golfers knows how to help change these views, half of them seemingly have no interest in changing them


Thirdly, you are also part of the problem here. Your heart is in the right place but you simply went about this "installation" the wrong way. Regardless of your mystery complainer having a legit beef or not, youre the one that doesnt have a leg to stand on IF something bad were to happen, and they decided to try and remove said course, being that you dont technically have permission to do what youre doing if i read the OP and other posts correctly
 
Thanks for all the well thought out replies. I appreciate the opinions.

I agree installing a course without permission is wrong. So is flagging in a forrest installing a course? Is propping up existing logs, junk or debri, to throw at installing a course? I can't see either of these activities as anywhere close to installing. Particulary not when I look at existing accepted uses of public land such as hunting camps, tree stands, off road vehicle use which all have more of an impact.

This is about as far as I will go in advocating grass roots disc golf on public lands. The next step from this is bringing targets out. I won't quite go there mainly because I know this is where one could be argued down, but in my heart I don't think most sane people should have much of a problem with neat and tidy targets placed in the forrest. Again, very much on par or less than existing accepted public land impacts, but yes, not technically ok and not something I will publicly recommend.
 
1. No one stays on the trails, causing erosions problems. Two places I hike have created courses-both places have large barren areas from traffic off-trail. What used to be single track, healthy growth trails are twice the size they were plus areas where the discs off-shoot, in several areas, are now completely dirt because of high impact.
2. I like some of the photos here of less obnoxious posts (or whatever you call them). I think I could live with these! However, where I live they are obnoxious yellow and seem fake and stand-out like crazy. I am all for green or steel. I think the negative reaction to courses going in would be decreased if it blended with the woods.
3. While I realize this does *not* apply to everyone, going along with the above post, many do not really like the woods, just want the challenge of the course. So, there are broken tree limbs, cigarette butts, etc. left behind. Loud music in the woods that used to be very quiet with lots of wildlife.

When these courses went in, I was originally, like "OK" we can get all share. I mountain bike and ski, etc. So thought it would be cool. I have been kind of freaked out at how this sport has impacted the woods where I live. I am posting this to hopefully ask people to respect the woods. I realize you cannot always stay on the trails, but please be respectful of the area as much as possible. Be respectful of other people using the woods, etc.


So...I guess I am posting to hopefully start from the ground up on improving sharing the woods with disc golf. I do find it sad when I see a course going up, because I know how it will change the woods. Even if you do not really love the woods, try to appreciate it and respect it. If you smoke, carry out your butts; pack out litter; headphone if you want to listen to music; don't break tree limbs and small trees to get a better shot.

THANK YOU!
 
Most people do not hate disc golf, they dislike the fact that some people appear arrogant as they refuse to follow protocol on public land or private land when creating something for their own benefit. Regardless if you are a non-profit you must deal with paperwork and/or have discussions with public officials prior to creating something like a park on public property. Years ago, I occasionally had to deal with Sovereign citizens due to my career. They seemed to have similar perspective as a few dg'ers I have been around.
 
Some people live in fear, they probably just see discgolfers as hooligans like some people do with basketball players on the courts in some areas. Just don't let it effect you.
 
Most people are afraid of what they do not know.

It took 4 years and many many meetings to finally get a course approved in my township. And most people thought it was frat boys drinking beer. While that certainly happens, the council was surprised that over half of the people that voted online for disc golf were 40+. Then we informed them about our scholastic series and the World Championships being in town last year definitely didn't hurt. But when people actually learn what disc golf is and who plays it, they tend to be more receptive.
 
1. No one stays on the trails, causing erosions problems. Two places I hike have created courses-both places have large barren areas from traffic off-trail. What used to be single track, healthy growth trails are twice the size they were plus areas where the discs off-shoot, in several areas, are now completely dirt because of high impact.
2. I like some of the photos here of less obnoxious posts (or whatever you call them). I think I could live with these! However, where I live they are obnoxious yellow and seem fake and stand-out like crazy. I am all for green or steel. I think the negative reaction to courses going in would be decreased if it blended with the woods.
3. While I realize this does *not* apply to everyone, going along with the above post, many do not really like the woods, just want the challenge of the course. So, there are broken tree limbs, cigarette butts, etc. left behind. Loud music in the woods that used to be very quiet with lots of wildlife.

When these courses went in, I was originally, like "OK" we can get all share. I mountain bike and ski, etc. So thought it would be cool. I have been kind of freaked out at how this sport has impacted the woods where I live. I am posting this to hopefully ask people to respect the woods. I realize you cannot always stay on the trails, but please be respectful of the area as much as possible. Be respectful of other people using the woods, etc.


So...I guess I am posting to hopefully start from the ground up on improving sharing the woods with disc golf. I do find it sad when I see a course going up, because I know how it will change the woods. Even if you do not really love the woods, try to appreciate it and respect it. If you smoke, carry out your butts; pack out litter; headphone if you want to listen to music; don't break tree limbs and small trees to get a better shot.

THANK YOU!

I agree with point three, when I play my rounds I end up picking up bottles and other lose trash and deposit them in their proper bins. Not sure why people feel the need to litter, specially since each tee has a trash can. This is assuming the trash was generated by the disc golfers and not the people utilizing the park. (The park is popular and used heavily for disc golf, walkers and children playing)

Not sure I really follow the whole disc golf having a big impact on the woods comment, I mean yes it has an impact wont argue there, but not to the degree of: clearing the side and base of a mountain for skiing, clearing 100 -200 acres for a ball golf course, ATV, offroading, snowmobile's etc.

Lets face it, high traffic hiking areas contain more finger trails than a typical disc golf course. That's just the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to environmental impact there are bigger fish to fry.
 
Not sure if that alone is a record (?), but it's also a first post. That's gotta be a record: oldest necrobump as first post.

4 years for a bump is nothing.
And there have been other members whose first post was a longer bump.
 
sounds like bad design and management @hiker. FWIW courses are expected to "break in" and foot traffic is part of it.

How would players throw to baskets which cannot be seen?!

A lot of "hate" people have for anything is often due to a lack of understanding. Disc golf does a lot more good vs bad. Getting people out into the woods/parks etc is very important in this screen-to-face era. Most disc golfers i know are all about respecting nature and the course/property.

With anything in the world it is easy to focus on the bad and nothing you can do about the morons out here- some just suck at life. DG is peanuts compared to real issues in that same regard. We all need to work together, a lot more often.
 
Conservation is a funny thing - use it or lose it. Forest fire prevention has lead to worse fires and changing of the natural landscape. However the fire prevention has allowed man to enjoy safer living and play in the forests for a longer time.
 
I would say I have an impersonal hate for nearly all disc golfers as a group, but when dealing with them directly it's really only a moderate dislike for about 90%.

Now that i think about it....I think I hate almost all disc golfers.
 
Not sure if that alone is a record (?), but it's also a first post. That's gotta be a record: oldest necrobump as first post.
At least somebody used the search feature.

*prerube smiles down upon us all*
 
At least somebody used the search feature.

*prerube smiles down upon us all*
Must be a timg troll account because they also found the check box on the old thread warning. :rolleyes:
 
There is a solution, cut down all the trees and put in a ball golf course. Many public lands have been used this way. Or we could cut down all the trees and put in soccer fields, or a baseball diamond.

Disc golf is by definition fairly low impact. Yep, there are cases where disc golf inherits a park that has been abused, i.e. everything cut down, and does it's best with it, but that doesn't go on the disc golf card. The notion that disc golfers are doing all of this damage, relative to anthing else, including hiking is spurious at best. Only someone who has not hiked in a truly popular hiking area really thinks that what happens on a disc golf course, compares.

I grew up hiking in the Pacific Northwest, and my father, a conservative Repulican, insisited that we had an obligation to take care of the woods. We picked up everything, caught and released unless we were gonna eat it right then, and generally worked to keep the parks and trails clean. All hikers get off trail at some point, I saw it growing up and did some myself. I camped, winter and summer, in the White Mountains on the Apalachian Trail. I saw many hikers off trail, camping and messing around, and often enough, I found their litter. Overall, since they spread their activities wider, it looks like the harm and bad behavior is less than what one might see on a disc golf course. To the point, humans are humans, some are good, some are lazy, and some are down right idjits. Whether the human in question is a disc golfer, a hiker, or Betty Boop who's gotten lost in the woods matters not.

People see things and they make assumptions, in this case, the assumption is that disc golfers, that is the royal all of them disc golfers, are making a hash of this area. The total number of broken branches I've seen due to hiker activity is significantly greater than that of disc golfers, of course I've spent more of my life hiking than disc golfing. What makes it obivous is that the shanks who did this all did it in one area, on a disc golf course. The truth is that no real disc golfer would do such a thing. Only a rookie, would do this, because experienced players feel they are changing the course. That is, an inexperienced player sees that branch as being in his way, and experienced player sees it as part of the course. I might speculate that a course near a hiking area is more likely to be played by an inexperienced disc golfer, experienced hiker, than a rookie disc golfer.... That is, the assumption that damage in such an area was done by the disc golf communmity, as opposed to a hiker might be spurious.

Disc golfers as a community are one of the better ones. I see more posts about cleaning up, maintaining, and fixing course areas, so as to lower impact, than I've ever seen in the hiking community. Yes, there jerks in the sport, but as a sport, the members work really hard to lower their impact, and control those who misbehave. To my knowledge there is no similar menality as a group goal in the hiking community. I might suggest that hikers would be better served to consider this goal than worrying too much about disc golfers.

As an aside, when I grew up hiking you could drink from any stream in the mountains. Now, they are all contaminated with giardia. That happened becasue hikers didn't take the time to dig a small hole, away from the water, and bury their crap.
 
^great post.

I have to sadly disagree a bit with this part though:

lyleoross said:
The truth is that no real disc golfer would do such a thing. Only a rookie, would do this, because experienced players feel they are changing the course. That is, an inexperienced player sees that branch as being in his way, and experienced player sees it as part of the course.
There are among us a number of "disc golf should be like ball golf as much as possible" contingent that do not hesitate to rip out, cut, or break any vegetation they see fit to give the course what they feel is more of a ball golf aesthetic. :(
 

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