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[Question] Are there other discs like the meteor?
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I have serious doubts as to sidearming Meteors effectively under full power. Come on, now!
Why is the Tursas a more contemporary or "modern" design? When did the Meteor come out? Tursas a couple years ago.
Newer midranges have increasingly wider rims and are also typically flat-topped designs. This also makes them faster. Not that the Meteor isn't also flat, but older mids like the Shark, Hawk, Roc were designed with some dome...another reason why they're slightly slower in the air. If you like that, fine. But the trend is towards faster and longer midranges that perform equally well under power(i.e. drives).
Take the Roc 3 for example, they widened the rim and made it flat-topped. There's a reason for that(compettion, trends) and Innova knows it. So, in response, they've modernized a classic.
The Truth has a 1.5cm rim, Tursas 1.4cm, Warship 1.4cm. It's why they fly faster and longer than most older mid designs? And they're all fairly recent releases.
This should be fairly obvious to anyone who's thrown any of the older mids, vs newer designs.
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Ted Bratton
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I'm with you 5Q. We have a different understanding than ThinAir, we are probably more experienced...and/or older lol. We shouldn't justify ourselves or argue too much unnecessarily. If one keeps playing and improving long enough one begins to understand discs and disc golf more completely...eventually. I wish I knew what Climo does, or Feldberg, or McBeth...Just give me 10 more years and a rating 100 points higher.
The Meteor was the 2006 ace race disc, but the design isn't old-fashioned. The way you describe the Meteor sounds like you may be confusing it with the Comet (which would be very hard to forehand at full power). However, there are two players in NC alone that can forehand Meteors at full power, Jeremy Koling and Graham White.
Also, just because the Tursas is newer doesn't make its design drastically different or better than the Meteor. I have thrown both discs, and it is not "fairly obvious" to me that they are drastically different designs.
Also, just because the Tursas is newer doesn't make its design drastically different or better than the Meteor. I have thrown both discs, and it is not "fairly obvious" to me that they are drastically different designs.
How many mids have come out since 2006?
So, you're telling me that Koling is throwing forehand drives with the Meteor at full power? He's with Prodigy now, so I doubt he's throwing Meteors, forehand or otherwise.
Look, I've spelled out the facts that newer mids are designed with wider rims resulting in them being faster and longer. You could go to Lat 64, Westside, DD, and even Innova sites to verify this. Often in their description are words like "...midrange has a wider rim and is faster than other midrange discs."
I didn't say that Koling does forehand Meteors at full power, I said that he can. I know this because he did when he was still sponsored by Discraft.
If you choose to believe what the manufacturers say in order to sell their discs, that's fine, but my opinion was formed by throwing the discs, not reading about them. In my experience, the Meteor and Tursas are both very good discs which take very similar lines and can fill the same spot in one's bag.
Look, can you please get it through your head that the Meteor was never a popular disc and has since been passed by with a whole slew of newer understable midranges?
Oh, so your opinion trumps the disc mfgrs claims about their own discs? Interesting...
Oh, so your opinion trumps the disc mfgrs claims about their own discs? Interesting...
Haha I'm not sure where you got that idea, but the Meteor is a very popular midrange where I come from. Also, just because something is new doesn't mean that it's better. The Teebird is 15 years old, and it's still considered the king of the fairway drivers. Heck, the Aviar is 30 years old, and I would bet it's still the best selling putter on the market.
I didn't say that my opinion was better, just that it isn't formed based on their claims. I provided the source of my opinion regarding the two discs in an attempt to explain why your opinion and my opinion differ.
Also, manufacturer descriptions isn't always the best source of information. After all, if I believed everything they said, I might actually think that the Groove is a good disc for beginners.
I got the "idea' based on historically poor sales vs other understable midranges. You could get the info from Discraft about Meteor popularity and sales. Why don't you hit em up? I already know the answer.
Anyway, you've become dogmatic in your defense of the Meteor, older mids, slower mids...whatever.
Anyway, you've become dogmatic in your defense of the Meteor, older mids, slower mids...whatever.
dethyr
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No, I RHBH the meteor to replace having to sidearm drive. I still sidearm mid range shots, I just don't like what it does to my arm after a round or two so I would prefer to just RHBH as it's more comfortable driving wise.
Actually, I'll let you do that instead. The thing about Discraft is that they tend to discontinue models which don't sell particularly well (see Zeppelin, Breeze, Wave, Talon, X-Clone, etc.), so I doubt that the Meteor is a weak seller or else it would have been discontinued by now, and they certainly wouldn't have released it in Z plastic.
I am supporting my claims regarding the Meteor, but I am not defending midranges with an "old-fashioned" design or slower mids, since I do not believe the Meteor to belong to either classification.
Ted Bratton
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It's a waste 5Q. We already made our reviews and argued our points relative to the topic in our first couple of posts. Why try to change the mind of this particular jerk? Or anyone else who we don't particularly care for? Especially over the internet of all mediums...
Trying to convince ThinAir that not one disc design flies better or worse than any another, that they quite literally just fly with varying amounts of speed and stability, is like to convincing your Irish grandmother that 'God' probably does not exist LOL...except maybe ThinAir will understand given more time. He will in turn probably try to argue that his disc of identical speed to yours will turn less AND fade less lol! Or maybe even turn more AND fade more! His choice is the more modern, superior design.
Trying to convince ThinAir that not one disc design flies better or worse than any another, that they quite literally just fly with varying amounts of speed and stability, is like to convincing your Irish grandmother that 'God' probably does not exist LOL...except maybe ThinAir will understand given more time. He will in turn probably try to argue that his disc of identical speed to yours will turn less AND fade less lol! Or maybe even turn more AND fade more! His choice is the more modern, superior design.
I used to be in the same boat as you before I forced myself to start throwing sidearm and figured out how to throw without hurting my arm.
Depending on what your local courses are like, you may be able to throw rollers instead of a sidearm in order to get a disc to travel straight, then finish right at the end. There isn't much call for rollers here in NC, but when I'm in the midwest, I use them a good bit.
If you want to try some rollers, I would suggest using an understable driver like a DX Leopard or Cheetah to learn how to get the disc on the ground, then once you have the technique, you can try rolling different discs to see the different lines they take while rolling.
If you just want something you can throw in the air that's going to break late like the Meteor, but cover more ground, you may want to look into some understable drivers such as the Avenger SS or Underworld, or you may also consider beating up something stable like a DX Teebird.
Listen, Ted, you have a lot to learn. You're way off on speed and stability relative to a discs flight, for one. And while trying to set yourself up as "experienced" or an authority, you make claims such as APX and Reef are "slightly overstable", your Claymore is "overstable", and the Meteor is a speedster.
Maybe more work with your mentor is in order? You do realize that beginners or players with low skill level typically have mentors, right? They have to be told what to do, shown how to play.
Maybe more work with your mentor is in order? You do realize that beginners or players with low skill level typically have mentors, right? They have to be told what to do, shown how to play.
Maybe new to the game, but this guy gets it! Not a very high % shot trying to sidearm understable mids, and under full power, fuhget it!!
If I understand the OP correctly, he never said anything about sidearming the Meteor until you brought it up. He said that he backhands the Meteor instead of sidearming other discs (which I would assume to be drivers).
