Bradley Williams Suspended

[tbird888]

Pretty sad that the pdga won't give any details.

Not really any of your business why.

No Jake was the dude who intentionally took a 40 on a hole. Non-related incident that happened at the same event.

So he could've walked off, taken his 888, and been fine, but he Tin Cups it and gets suspended? That's pretty weak.

 

[juju]

Hopefully this a$$hole quits disc golf before his suspension/probation is up.

 

[gdub58]

So only Williams was disciplined for the incident? Interesting. If this was something that happened off the course, I would say it's a private matter. However, since it happened on the course during a high profile sanctioned event, I think the details should be explained to the other PDGA members.

Why in the world would you have this expectation? Should all active PDGA members vote on what the consequences should be? Maybe we should put a poll up here and send the results to the PDGA so they know what should be done...

I mean, I will admit to somewhat curious myself, but I certainly don't see that as something I deserve to know just because I play disc golf too. When you approach the scene of a car accident, do you stop and ask the police for the details seeing that you also have a driver's license and are on the same road?

What am I missing?

 

[Rob Martin]

Why in the world would you have this expectation? Should all active PDGA members vote on what the consequences should be? Maybe we should put a poll up here and send the results to the PDGA so they know what should be done...

I mean, I will admit to somewhat curious myself, but I certainly don't see that as something I deserve to know just because I play disc golf too. When you approach the scene of a car accident, do you stop and ask the police for the details seeing that you also have a driver's license and are on the same road?

What am I missing?

Settle down dude. I'm not saying we should have a say in what the decision was. I'm only saying the details should be explained. Try to read will you.

Using your example, if I was that curious, I could pull the police report since it is a public record.

 

[Hampstead]

With 18 months of free time, maybe BW will start posting here again....

 

[kavoul]

Why in the world would you have this expectation? Should all active PDGA members vote on what the consequences should be? Maybe we should put a poll up here and send the results to the PDGA so they know what should be done...

I mean, I will admit to somewhat curious myself, but I certainly don't see that as something I deserve to know just because I play disc golf too. When you approach the scene of a car accident, do you stop and ask the police for the details seeing that you also have a driver's license and are on the same road?

What am I missing?

I think the point he is making is that other PDGA players should be aware of the incident/resulting consequence so they know what to expect for whatever behavior Williams displayed. I don't think it has anything to do with players determining the punishment for Williams.

 

[MarkDSM]

Sanctions good if the goal is sorts out community unworthy players. No one wants to sweat their time and fundraising to provide for malcontents to come their tourneys and play disc golf.

 

[bradharris]

Why in the world would you have this expectation? Should all active PDGA members vote on what the consequences should be? Maybe we should put a poll up here and send the results to the PDGA so they know what should be done...

I mean, I will admit to somewhat curious myself, but I certainly don't see that as something I deserve to know just because I play disc golf too. When you approach the scene of a car accident, do you stop and ask the police for the details seeing that you also have a driver's license and are on the same road?

What am I missing?

It's actually a good practice to publicize this info for the benefit of other members. That way, everyone is aware of what kind of discipline they may face in similar situations. Transparency can also help to show that the organization is treating disciplinary situations fairly across the board.

 

[tbird888]

...I'm not saying we should have a say in what the decision was. I'm only saying the details should be explained...

The details really are none of your business. Just because you are an active PDGA member doesn't mean you have any right to have them give you gossip material.

 

[Rob Martin]

I think the point he is making is that other PDGA players should be aware of the incident/resulting consequence so they know what to expect for whatever behavior Williams displayed. I don't think it has anything to do with players determining the punishment for Williams.

Thank you.

It's actually a good practice to publicize this info for the benefit of other members. That way, everyone is aware of what kind of discipline they may face in similar situations. Transparency can also help to show that the organization is treating disciplinary situations fairly across the board.

And thank you too.

 

[Lazerface]

Oh Bradley, I hate this crap. It sucks that Disc Golf is not a business like the NFL or something and players cant just be fined - they would of course need money though. 18 months is crazy harsh if this was truly just a shoulder bump and argument of sorts - probation or not. If he assaulted the guy I could understand, but I don't know the story. Spare me if your argument is that the shoulder bump classifies as assault and find a college campus to go protest for a "safe space" or some other social justice bull****.

Bradley is the guy fans love to hate. I would argue he is good for the "sport". He certainly has trouble fitting into the culture (loaded sentence), but personalities aside, this is the guy's passion and career to some extent. I understand that behavior on the course an affect the play/competition and there has to be consequences for that, but I feel like the PDGS is out of control on this one.

I know people really dislike this guy, but if you look at it objectively it's a bit ridiculous.
I have to admit I find myself rooting for him just because I imagine everyone cringing as he takes down the competition.

 

[Jay Dub]

Paul McBeth
21 mins ·

18 Months...... Please explain to me why?

Seems Mr McBeth doesn't agree with it.

 

[Discslinger12]

Brad, talk to Cam Todd - you can still play the USDGC....

 

[JC17393]

The guy has a history of infractions beyond just the basket kicking and this. That the latest incident, whatever he did, got him 18 months make sense to me.

Were this a first offense, I doubt very much he'd have gotten more than three months for it. As a repeat offender, it really doesn't matter how severe the infraction might have been, the punishment is going to escalate. If he comes back again after this suspension is up, he might well get 5 years or life if there's another incident of any kind.

 

[gdub58]

Settle down dude. I'm not saying we should have a say in what the decision was. I'm only saying the details should be explained. Try to read will you.

Using your example, if I was that curious, I could pull the police report since it is a public record.

It's called hyperbole, dude. It's kind of funny that you thought I was being literal.

I'll ask again - under what premise do you think the PDGA owes us details?

 

[Nasty Nate]

Oh Bradley, I hate this crap. It sucks that Disc Golf is not a business like the NFL or something and players cant just be fined - they would of course need money though. 18 months is crazy harsh if this was truly just a shoulder bump and argument of sorts - probation or not. If he assaulted the guy I could understand, but I don't know the story. Spare me if your argument is that the shoulder bump classifies as assault and find a college campus to go protest for a "safe space" or some other social justice bull****.

Bradley is the guy fans love to hate. I would argue he is good for the "sport". He certainly has trouble fitting into the culture (loaded sentence), but personalities aside, this is the guy's passion and career to some extent. I understand that behavior on the course an affect the play/competition and there has to be consequences for that, but I feel like the PDGS is out of control on this one.

I know people really dislike this guy, but if you look at it objectively it's a bit ridiculous.
I have to admit I find myself rooting for him just because I imagine everyone cringing as he takes down the competition.

In the NFL you can murder and rape and just get a slap on the wrist.

It's too bad about this Bradley Williams guy. I was watching him at the BHMO on the lead card with Mcbeth and Wysocki. Oh well. Don't rage on the course.

 

[gdub58]

I think the point he is making is that other PDGA players should be aware of the incident/resulting consequence so they know what to expect for whatever behavior Williams displayed. I don't think it has anything to do with players determining the punishment for Williams.

Geez, another one who thinks I was seriously suggesting something nonsensical - has DGCR really gotten to the point where every silly statement is taken as truth?

Anyhow, that is a weak point. Do you really need someone to tell you not to act like an idiot on the course, in whatever form it takes? And the consequences are specific to a situation and the player, so that part is also a straw man. Try again.

 

[gdub58]

I understand that behavior on the course an affect the play/competition and there has to be consequences for that, but I feel like the PDGS is out of control on this one.

I know people really dislike this guy, but if you look at it objectively it's a bit ridiculous.
I have to admit I find myself rooting for him just because I imagine everyone cringing as he takes down the competition.

See Rob, we don't need to know all of the facts to pass judgment.

That said, I think that Paul McBeth (who likely knows a lot more about it than any of us) speaking out about the severity of the punishment carries some weight, so there's that.

FWIW, I have no opinion about Bradley's demeanor or behavior one way or the other. I've never played with him or watched him in person, so I have no idea how he is. If he (or anyone on my card) did something inappropriate I would speak up if it was affecting my ability to focus, but beyond that it's not my place to judge...

 

[DirtyMeathook]

The details really are none of your business. Just because you are an active PDGA member doesn't mean you have any right to have them give you gossip material.

You can say "that is none of your business" about every single thread in this forum, yet here you are, spending endless hours gossiping on a disc golf forum, peanut. Why are you in this thread if it is none of YOUR business? Provide me ONE example of an athlete being suspended, and the reason for their suspension not being cited. Go ahead, find me ONE.

Regardless of who's business is, it is required that the governing body explain what the suspension is for. Otherwise they can just play judge, jury, and executioner, suspending anyone for any reason. Which I am guessing is what happened here. They don't like Bradley, so they took this opportunity to let him have it.

Now, how about the length of the suspension?! 18 months? Has there ever been a longer suspension in any other sport? Of all the heinous things done that resulted in suspension, never have I heard of one this long. And for what? PDGA is such a joke.

 

[DirtyMeathook]

It's called hyperbole, dude. It's kind of funny that you thought I was being literal.

I'll ask again - under what premise do you think the PDGA owes us details?

What is funny is how daft you are. Don't make lame comparisons if you don't want them shot down. Since nobody sems to grasp wtf you were trying to get across with your initial comment, help us understand.

How about under the precedent set by ever single sports governing body. As stated above, find me even just one example of a suspension being levied, without the reason for the suspension being cited. So 10's of thousands of suspensions across every major sport, find me one.