[Compare] Anyone throw an overstable 7 speed?

[Moose33]

like 10 years ago a run of backstamp ghost stamp crystals were moar beef than the ti ones

and thats sayin somethin

That was right around when I started playing, so I wasn't very aware then. That would be pretty beefy for sure.

 

[swhite]

There was a freak ledge stone run that was almost Tilt OS. Can't really find them anymore but they were beefy.

I think you mean the 2015 CryZtal FLX Trackers.

The profile of a Tilt looks just like these to me.

 

[elmexdela]

That's why I haven't thrown a Banshee in a while. I'm also one of those internet distance bombers but actually max out at like 280'

fb is too much disc for me so i dont bag one lolol

get my noodle all bent and hurtin

 

[Moose33]

I think you mean the 2015 CryZtal FLX Trackers.

The profile of a Tilt looks just like these to me.

Yes, that's what I was thinking of! Good looking out.

 

[seedlings]

why wouldnt you just throw a fb

Certainly. I throw an FD3. I was just asking if anyone used a 7 speed instead.

 

[Monkeypaws]

I throw Tridents, technically a speed 6, but in context, this type of slower OS driver is extremely useful if you deal with wind on a regular basis.

 

[wolfhaley]

I throw Tridents, technically a speed 6, but in context, this type of slower OS driver is extremely useful if you deal with wind on a regular basis.

Same here. It's basically my OS mid/fairway. I bag a sexton Firebird too, but I throw the Trident way more often. I know I'm in the minority but I find the super OS 6 or 7 speed very useful.

I'll bag a Spark, XXX or Banshee once in awhile too. Mostly so I don't lose my few precious Tridents.

 

[gooberau]

Star Eagle Barsby ... straight to overstable
Champ Eagle - meat hook
Champ Banshee - bit shorter than the Eagles but meat hook.

Love them all! Started throwing a Resistor a little and enjoying it.

 

[Flick Maniac]

I am sure people bag them. But way more will likely have a 9 speed or so. Like someone said, cant imagine being like "I dont wanna throw the firebird, 2 notches off the speed would be just right". If someone bags both theyre insane. Insane, I tell ya.

 

[EllEstar]

I bag a Z Raptor and often find myself thinking I'd like it to be a touch slower so I could a) have it hold a little straighter for longer before finishing strong, and b) use it for shorter throws without powering down on it so much that it becomes more overstable than I want.

That said the next speed down in my overstable lineup is a Zone so a faster midrange would probably cover that too.

 

[autocrosscrx]

I don't have one that is "overstable" on paper, but I have a champ Teebird that I find particularly meathooky.

There really isn't a backhand shot for this disc that can't be replicated with something else, but it matches my arm really well for forehands.

 

[zontar]

Teebird

 

[aphilso1]

"Is it worthwhile to have a ______, or just disc up/down to use the ____ or ____?"

Regardless of what type of disc is under consideration, I think it's important to approach this problem in the same manner. A few questions to ask yourself when deciding whether to add another mold to the bag:

1. How comfortable are you powering discs up/down, vs trying to replicate the same power on all throws?
2. How comfortable are you manipulating release angle, vs letting the disc's natural stability do the work?
3. How comfortable are you adjusting throwing height to control distance?
4. Do you play in the wind a lot?

If you can accurately adjust 2 out of 3 release variables (power, angle, and height), then generally speaking you are better off not adding an extra mold to the bag. Now that is assuming you already carry a relatively full assortment of discs, and are just debating "how big of a hole in the bag is too big." The one big wrench in this mental process is wind. Playing in high winds dictates what angle and height trajectory you should release the disc on. If you regularly play in windy conditions, then I totally understand wanting to have a bunch of options on the extreme ends of the stability spectrum (both really OS and really US discs).

 

[VictorB]

This thread is suddenly relevant to me again. I put stalkers back in my bag, and one is a cryztal stalker. It's a good bit more overstable than the stock ESPs I have. I think it fills a needed spot between a raptor and quake. It's not overstable like a xxx or a banshee, but more like a nice beefy teebird

 

[Alexplz]

"Is it worthwhile to have a ______, or just disc up/down to use the ____ or ____?"

Regardless of what type of disc is under consideration, I think it's important to approach this problem in the same manner. A few questions to ask yourself when deciding whether to add another mold to the bag:

1. How comfortable are you powering discs up/down, vs trying to replicate the same power on all throws?
2. How comfortable are you manipulating release angle, vs letting the disc's natural stability do the work?
3. How comfortable are you adjusting throwing height to control distance?
4. Do you play in the wind a lot?

If you can accurately adjust 2 out of 3 release variables (power, angle, and height), then generally speaking you are better off not adding an extra mold to the bag. Now that is assuming you already carry a relatively full assortment of discs, and are just debating "how big of a hole in the bag is too big." The one big wrench in this mental process is wind. Playing in high winds dictates what angle and height trajectory you should release the disc on. If you regularly play in windy conditions, then I totally understand wanting to have a bunch of options on the extreme ends of the stability spectrum (both really OS and really US discs).

For me, playing in the winds of Eastern WA blew away the idea that I had my bag settled.

I found myself cursing my Comet which holds any line on calm, wooded courses. Swapped it for a Buzzz/Wasp combo when I got home.

This is the same reason I have such a swollen fairway section of my bag. Do I really need or want both Teebs and Thundies??? Not if wind weren't a thing.

 

[aphilso1]

For me, playing in the winds of Eastern WA blew away the idea that I had my bag settled.

I found myself cursing my Comet which holds any line on calm, wooded courses. Swapped it for a Buzzz/Wasp combo when I got home.

This is the same reason I have such a swollen fairway section of my bag. Do I really need or want both Teebs and Thundies??? Not if wind weren't a thing.

I totally get that. I recently did the opposite move -- from the high winds of Nebraska to the calm of the Wasatch Front. I find myself playing wooded courses 75% of the time, rather than 10% of the time. So now I gravitate toward mid-stability discs that I can manipulate angles with, whereas in Nebraska I would mostly throw flat and low with either an overstable or understable disc depending on wind direction.

 

[Alexplz]

I totally get that. I recently did the opposite move -- from the high winds of Nebraska to the calm of the Wasatch Front. I find myself playing wooded courses 75% of the time, rather than 10% of the time. So now I gravitate toward mid-stability discs that I can manipulate angles with, whereas in Nebraska I would mostly throw flat and low with either an overstable or understable disc depending on wind direction.

Makes total sense. I would rather throw a Comet on most Buzzz shots (not all), but when the wind picks up I would much rather throw a Buzzz with a side or head wind present as opposed to the Comet.

Comet sure does love a tailwind by gawd. Maybe there's room in the bag for one after all.

 

[tylerc]

I been throwing Tridents for years. I only throw them forehand though. I see the benefit of them for sure! I am glad that I have a stock pile of freshies waiting for me in storage

 

[Three Putt]

Even DX Vipers is high weights have been scarce in the last few years. Though the Tachyon 4.1 LF(Viper in Millennium plastic) was really my favorite.

Hyzerbomb Moab was supposed to be based off the 4.1; of course it's not in stock anywhere so I don't know if you will ever be able to get one again.

I picked up two or three of the Champ Vipers they had a few years ago; fun disc to throw. I forgot how much I liked Vipers back when they were the ubiquitous disc golf driver that everyone threw. Somehow on the Interwebz we rewrote history and made it seem like Gazelles were a much bigger thing than they were; in the 90's the Viper was the king of all disc golf drivers. It wasn't until TeeBirds came out in '99 that the Viper fell out of people's bags.

Having said that, they are slower than speed 7. The Banshee/EXP1 was my disc for that faster hyzer shot/forehand utility throws. If the plastic doesn't just disintegrate (which it kinda feels like it might at this point; all my old Pro discs feel sticky/icky anymore) I have enough EXP1's to last I think.

 

[Moose33]

Hyzerbomb Moab was supposed to be based off the 4.1; of course it's not in stock anywhere so I don't know if you will ever be able to get one again.

I picked up two or three of the Champ Vipers they had a few years ago; fun disc to throw. I forgot how much I liked Vipers back when they were the ubiquitous disc golf driver that everyone threw. Somehow on the Interwebz we rewrote history and made it seem like Gazelles were a much bigger thing than they were; in the 90's the Viper was the king of all disc golf drivers. It wasn't until TeeBirds came out in '99 that the Viper fell out of people's bags.

Having said that, they are slower than speed 7. The Banshee/EXP1 was my disc for that faster hyzer shot/forehand utility throws. If the plastic doesn't just disintegrate (which it kinda feels like it might at this point; all my old Pro discs feel sticky/icky anymore) I have enough EXP1's to last I think.

I liked the Moab, but I think the champ style plastic make the rim feel more extreme. Was not quite as comfortable for me.