2014 United States Disc Golf Championship

[plastic_fondler]

It is actually 16 stars. I believe that Ken Climo, Barry Schultz and Dave Dunipace are the only ones that have played in all 16 USDGC's. Next up is Brian Schweberger who played every year except 2011.

Thanks, was curious as I knew Craig and Jim had finally missed a few. I don't think this tourney watering down is a bad thing. It was an incredible example of how to run a progressive and professional event. Its time for other sponsors besides innova to step up.

 

[bombmk]

you have plenty of excuses for being lazy. i would hate to employ you as a worker

Look at all those lazy disc golfers this weekend, having other people carrying their gear. McBeth, Shusterick, McCray, Brown - just to take the cream of the crop. All super lazy.

You seem to have a problem with performance optimizing details. So consider your feelings reciprocated.

 

[elmexdela]

Look at all those lazy disc golfers this weekend, having other people carrying their gear. McBeth, Shusterick, McCray, Brown - just to take the cream of the crop. All super lazy.

You seem to have a problem with performance optimizing details. So consider your feelings reciprocated.

sounds like you have some positive role models in your life. good for you. hope everything is well

 

[Travis1010]

elmexda thinks hes being funny this morning (night?)

 

[TOB3RT]

Look at all those lazy disc golfers this weekend, having other people carrying their gear. McBeth, Shusterick, McCray, Brown - just to take the cream of the crop. All super lazy.

You seem to have a problem with performance optimizing details. So consider your feelings reciprocated.

Haha McBeth has been a caddy for others before...there goes that. In regards to them having other people carry around their stuff, I'm sure people ask to do it. I'd ask to do it. I'd love to be their caddy. Doesn't make the players lazy.

 

[Jay Dub]

I noticed McBeth's caddy was dressed pretty formal. Slacks, white shirt and tie. Was there a reason he dressed like that?

 

[bhadella]

I noticed McBeth's caddy was dressed pretty formal. Slacks, white shirt and tie. Was there a reason he dressed like that?

They dress him in all kinds of goofy outfits for fun.

 

[Travis1010]

I noticed McBeth's caddy was dressed pretty formal. Slacks, white shirt and tie. Was there a reason he dressed like that?

If you watch any of the SpinTV McBeast Diaries, it seems to be a running joke for them. They go to a thrift store, or a Ross or something and buy goofy clothes for him to caddy in.

 

[grodney]

I'm trying to remember how many participants there were in 2010 (the last year of ODOC), but it was a few more than the 136 that were playing on Thursday.

2001 - 123
2002 - 150
2003 - 158
2004 - 179 cut to 149 after 3 rounds
2005 - 183 cut to 154
2006 - 174 cut to 151
2007 - 168 cut to 135
2008 - 188 cut to 135
2009 - 192 cut to 123
2010 - 182 cut to 119
2011 - 123 performance only**
2012 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2013 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2014 - 64 open 72 perf = 136

**Climo only beat one person in 2011 -- and that was Mikey K.

 

[Jay Dub]

They dress him in all kinds of goofy outfits for fun.

If you watch any of the SpinTV McBeast Diaries, it seems to be a running joke for them. They go to a thrift store, or a Ross or something and buy goofy clothes for him to caddy in.

Thanks, I didn't know.

In that case that's pretty funny! :clap:

 

[Travis1010]

Thanks, I didn't know.

In that case that's pretty funny! :clap:

Heres what he wore at Worlds: http://youtu.be/eXfbgfVUfhQ?t=19m36s

 

[bombmk]

Haha McBeth has been a caddy for others before...there goes that. In regards to them having other people carry around their stuff, I'm sure people ask to do it. I'd ask to do it. I'd love to be their caddy. Doesn't make the players lazy.

I think you were missing the initial correspondence I had with elmexdela - which might have caused you to miss the sarcasm that was intended.

 

[grodney]

2000 - 82
2001 - 123
2002 - 150
2003 - 158
2004 - 179 cut to 149 after 3 rounds
2005 - 183 cut to 154
2006 - 174 cut to 151
2007 - 168 cut to 135
2008 - 188 cut to 135
2009 - 192 cut to 123
2010 - 182 cut to 119
2011 - 123 performance only**
2012 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2013 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2014 - 64 open 72 perf = 136

**Climo only beat one person in 2011 -- and that was Mikey K.

Added 2000.

 

[grodney]

Turns out Climo has the course record at Winthrop Gold. He shot 49 in 1999. https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rec.sport.disc/0JDTtnahRmg/discussion

Or if that doesn't work for you:

1     K Climo                      51  50  49  54     204
2     A Schack                   53  55  53  58     219
3     C Gangloff                 55  56  55  57      223
4     P Arthur                     60  57  52  57      226
5t    M Moser                    59  55  55  58      227
5t    D Greenwell              57  55  57  58      227
5t    R Voakes                  54  57  54  62      227
8     B Schultz                  57  57  50  64      228
9     B  Schick                  54  54  62  59      229 
10   D  Harper                          60  56  55  59      230
11   S McDaniel               57  57  57   57     231
12t  T Branch                   53  58  62  59      232
12t  R Russell                  60  55  54  63      232
14t  D McCormack           57  60  59 57       233
14t  G Hosfeld                  59  59  54  61      233
16   B McRee                   59  58  54  63      234
17   K Yoo                        56  54  58  67      235
18t  W Haney                   62  57  56  61      236
18t   S Stokeley                59  55  60  62      236
18t   J Meyers                   55  63  54  64      236
21t   B Dodge                    57  56  61  63      237
21t   C Todd                      58  57  58  64      237
23t   J Akins                      59  60  58  61      238
23t    L Leonard                 58  55  64  61      238
23t    D Grant                     61  56  59  62     238

 

[grodney]

Okay, finally found 1999 full results.

1999 - 68
2000 - 82
2001 - 123
2002 - 150
2003 - 158
2004 - 179 cut to 149 after 3 rounds
2005 - 183 cut to 154
2006 - 174 cut to 151
2007 - 168 cut to 135
2008 - 188 cut to 135
2009 - 192 cut to 123
2010 - 182 cut to 119
2011 - 123 performance only**
2012 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2013 - 58 open 71 perf = 129
2014 - 64 open 72 perf = 136

**Climo only beat one person in 2011 -- and that was Mikey K.

*** Trivia - no PDGA points were awarded for USDGC until 2008.

 

[BgWvDave]

My question is where specifically in the rulebook does it say anything about the timing for when obstacles are on the course? I think an older rulebook may have said something. But if you look at the Obstacles and Relief section 803.01, there's no wording there other than "not moving any obstacles with the exception of those denoted" regardless of how long they might have been there.

It doesn't to my knowledge. But I do agree that I do remember something being printed in an older version. when addressing a rules situation as obscure (at least to me) as this I have to treat it as a problem solving task. you spit ball at first and then widdle it down to the key components. when trying to establish if the chair had been there all day it got me at least to casual obstacles/what is considered part of the course. which as you quoted was 803.01. the next logical step would be to look up that rule and apply it as it is needed. Unfortunately we did not have the time I needed to get there. I am a bit slow in this respect I will admit. More time even 1 minute would have been really really nice to have in that situation.

Mr. Anderson. the USDGC Official on the phone was on the phone with the PDGA Official who was 1 hole away. he was prepping Mike (the PDGA Official) so that when he arrived he was abreast of the situation. Mike rolled up just as Paul was releasing his second shot. Nothing really funny about multitasking to help get the right call as quickly as possible.

 

[JC17393]

*** Trivia - no PDGA points were awarded for USDGC until 2008.

I believe that was because no points were awarded at majors back then. Probably stemming from the fact that until the USDGC arrived, the only major that existed was Worlds. And the purpose of points is to qualify for Worlds, so no need to earn points at Worlds and thus no need to earn points at majors. Surprised it took until 2008 to correct that.

 

[BgWvDave]

There is nothing wrong with the rule in regards to this specific situation.
Right now the rules allow McBeth to ask the spotter to move his belongings.The spotter was there, and to my knowledge offered to move it, if allowed.

I think the rule should be worded to allow the belongings to be moved, regardless of the owners presence, but that would not have changed things here.

Because they were discussing whether it was a permanent part of the course - and that McBeth apparently moved a little to fast before getting a final ruling (though he might have thought it was final). The latter part I would still like to hear McBeths version of. They might have come to the right conclusion had he waited. (again, if he indeed moved to fast)

I cannot quite understand why they would need a discussion that long about making such a call. The spotter puts a random object at a random spot. Of course it is not part of the course. (the spotter should of course be allowed to have it there, to sit down during the day.)

So the problem was not so much with the rules, but with the officiating of them.

As for the proposed change: Where would you put a spotters chair on a hole with no OB?

bombmk I can't fault this post one bit. And from an outside perspective and not being in the situation I would probably agree with you that the decision making process was a bit slow. from a first hand perspective I can tell you that it was TOUGH being in that situation. for me being a junior Marshall in only my second year and the first call I have ever ben a part of it was TOUGH. Man did that suck. I do not have the rule book memorized but I have TD'd 10 PDGA events all with full fields and I have had to make decisions in several of them. I understand and can navigate the rule book proficiently. but again I personally needed more time.

Not to place blame ANYWHERE I would have loved to have had Paul come over and discuss the situation with us. He was just as much as involved in the situation as we were. With Hindsight being 20/20 I would have loved to had the notion to invite Paul over to help us come to a decision, but I didn't and that is on me.

Once again it boils down to 2 things. 1 as a Marshall I was told that our only capacity was to help players make calls not make the calls ourselves and 2 man I would have loved 1 more minute to let the PDGA official get there and help with getting the call right.

 

[UCF_Knight]

bombmk I can't fault this post one bit. And from an outside perspective and not being in the situation I would probably agree with you that the decision making process was a bit slow. from a first hand perspective I can tell you that it was TOUGH being in that situation. for me being a junior Marshall in only my second year and the first call I have ever ben a part of it was TOUGH. Man did that suck. I do not have the rule book memorized but I have TD'd 10 PDGA events all with full fields and I have had to make decisions in several of them. I understand and can navigate the rule book proficiently. but again I personally needed more time.

Not to place blame ANYWHERE I would have loved to have had Paul come over and discuss the situation with us. He was just as much as involved in the situation as we were. With Hindsight being 20/20 I would have loved to had the notion to invite Paul over to help us come to a decision, but I didn't and that is on me.

Once again it boils down to 2 things. 1 as a Marshall I was told that our only capacity was to help players make calls not make the calls ourselves and 2 man I would have loved 1 more minute to let the PDGA official get there and help with getting the call right.

Whenever I am involved in a call, as the player who's lie is affected, I try to let the other members of the group come to a decision without to much of my input. I just feel like I am obviously biased and unless I strongly disagree do not need to sway the other players towards making an unfair call. I obviously cannot speak for Paul but that's what it appeared he was doing to me, just letting it sort itself out.

 

[1978]

I agree about the vendors. Last year was my first time going and I went again this year. I didn't know there use to be other vendors but that's why I tried to allow for time to go by PIAS and Another Round disc golf store.

What they should really have is a test area. An extra hole where one can test all kinds of different discs. Like a driving range. Maybe have a few players on hand to teach. Trade area would be great too.

Driving range in disc golf is unrealistic. You aren't hitting balls you can go pick up with a cart and golf clubs do not have quite the immediate depreciation a disc does.

And @ master of forum settings Matt: not everyone logs in to browse.

There is a GREAT area perpendicular to hole 5 at Winthrop and the spectator parking lot which would be perfect for an Innova driving range during the USDGC and a really good idea to help them promote their discs. They should totally rope an area off and have 2 volunteers let people trial discs that they are selling in the pro-shop. I guarantee this would increase sales at the event and I'll mention it to Paul Bergey and Jonathan Poole.