i was standing in the grassy knoll
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The few comments I heard from the am side about that hole were that "you either got a 2 or a 4". The ams felt the island was too small.
OK, been reading most of this thread and might as well throw in my own $.02 even if it's a little late and has already been discussed to death...
I was standing roughly 5 to 10 feet from where John E's drive on Eureaka #2 came to rest. It DID 100% hit a spectator who was lying down. He was lying with his head by the OB rope and John E's purple World (I think it was a World anyways, definitely purple) hit him in his polo shirt where it was loosely over-hanging his waistband. There was a brief "That didn't hit anybody" discussion by those in the vicinity. When a TD came up and asked for clarification, the consensus was "No, that didn't hit anybody". I'm not even sure how many people standing right there knew it had actually hit him but I would guess not that many actually. I didn't say anything but I could have and this is why…
Even if it didn't hit the kid, I'm just a hair shy of completely positive that it would have stayed OB due to its speed, the length of the grass and the angle it had hit the ground. Can you ever be 100% sure? No, but from all of the discs I've ever seen thrown, there was no way that was going to roll or skip in bounds. It's just too bad that he let it affect his game that way.
That being said, this was my first NT and I had a blast and I can't wait to do another one! Can't believe how much planning and effort went in to making something like that come to fruition!
OK, been reading most of this thread and might as well throw in my own $.02 even if it's a little late and has already been discussed to death...
I was standing roughly 5 to 10 feet from where John E's drive on Eureaka #2 came to rest. It DID 100% hit a spectator who was lying down. He was lying with his head by the OB rope and John E's purple World (I think it was a World anyways, definitely purple) hit him in his polo shirt where it was loosely over-hanging his waistband. There was a brief "That didn't hit anybody" discussion by those in the vicinity. When a TD came up and asked for clarification, the consensus was "No, that didn't hit anybody". I'm not even sure how many people standing right there knew it had actually hit him but I would guess not that many actually. I didn't say anything but I could have and this is why…
Even if it didn't hit the kid, I'm just a hair shy of completely positive that it would have stayed OB due to its speed, the length of the grass and the angle it had hit the ground. Can you ever be 100% sure? No, but from all of the discs I've ever seen thrown, there was no way that was going to roll or skip in bounds. It's just too bad that he let it affect his game that way.
That being said, this was my first NT and I had a blast and I can't wait to do another one! Can't believe how much planning and effort went in to making something like that come to fruition!
Can someone tell me why there are people laying on the ground near an OB line when they are supposed to in the gallery watching?? Please justify this to me. Whether both of JohnE's shots would've "stayed OB in your estimation" or not, please explain why that happens or if it should be allowed.
Can someone tell me why it's only a big deal if a spectator interferes when a disc is on its way back IN, but nobody cares when a spectator interferes and keeps a disc from going OUT?
I can think of 3 people that probably care, your opposing cardmates.
What is the big deal? They were both errant drives. How many times in ball golf do we see an errant drive go smack into the middle of the gallery? All of the time, they scatter and many a time the balls ultimate lie has been impacted by the gallery. Still the golfer plays the ball from this "altered lie".Can someone tell me why it's only a big deal if a spectator interferes when a disc is on its way back IN, but nobody cares when a spectator interferes and keeps a disc from going OUT?
What is the big deal? They were both errant drives. How many times in ball golf do we see an errant drive go smack into the middle of the gallery? All of the time, they scatter and many a time the balls ultimate lie has been impacted by the gallery. Still the golfer plays the ball from this "altered lie".
I was the TD walking with the MPO final 9. I noticed the gallery tight on the fairway and it did concern me, but I did not have any way of communicating down there to move them without going down myself. I do not recall any players asking me if I could do something about moving the gallery back either.
But yet there is never any controversy about it, never any outcry about why the specators aren't being managed better, no pros whining and griping about the free stroke a competitor got, ect. Remember Ricky at the European Open? Probably not, because nobody cared.
Not to divert from this fun conversation about galleries, but I may or may not have been out at Lake Eureka tonight looking at tweaks....
Wrong! I don't think spectators should EVER interfere! EVER.
I CERTAINLY don't think "watchers" should be laying on the ground, sitting on their lazy esar, or resting comfortably on a chair not paying attention! If you wanna watch sitting down, it's being broadcast live -- get to your living room!