It's only great because someone trimmed all the low branches on those trees on the approach! Other wise all you 'pros' would be settling for 4's and 5's!
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There's no way it could be a 3 it's a straight right dog leg. It's not a very hard 4 but to get a 3 you need at least two well placed shots.
I would pay anyone to get within 40 feet of that hole off the tee.
It's a great hole, but is nothing remotely close to a par 3.
It can't be a par 3 b/c it's too hard to reach off the tee? Why? It's only like 200' to the bend and then it's like 340' to the basket. A pro should 3 that most of the time, especially if that fairway gets thinned out some more. I've gotten a 4 there fairly easily a couple of times and I suck. :\
Exactly why it's a par 4. If elite players can't / aren't twoing a hole some of the time, it's not a par 3.
It's a relatively easier par 4, however.
So you don't think pros will be able to 2 that hole some of the time? Especially as the course wears in and opens up a little and players play it with regularity?
No. It's too severe of a turn and too tight.
Now, someone will two it with a throw in or a random crazy insane drive.
But that doesn't mean it's a par 3. Just because someone aces a hole doesn't mean it's par 2.
Does a hole have to be reachable from the tee for you to consider it a par 3?
...you don't have to reach a hole for it to be birdieable. yea most players can't drive 470 but you don't need to drive 470ft to get within reasonable range to hit a putt. you only have to get to 430 to have a 40ft look at it.
4 short at Buckhorn is a good example. most players can't reach the hole on the drive and even skilled players have a slim chance of getting all the way to the basket. though if you hit your line with enough height you can get within a reasonable distance to hit a putt.
In case it helps to clarify the issue, here's how the holes at Rock Ridge are designed. Actually, here's how all my courses are designed: the idea is that each hole is reachable in 1, 2, or 3 shots. Not one and a half shots or two and a quarter shots, etc.
On Hole #2, as an example, if you can throw a 300' drive, which is not easy to do because of the angle and tightness, you'll still have a full midrange or putter 241' to the basket. Since it takes two shots to get there (in this case two very good shots), it's a par four in my book. Three is a birdie.
That's the point I'm making - golf doesn't make concessions for "red level players." It draws two lines of distinction: male and female (and occasionally for little kids).
Bogey Golfer:A male "bogey golfer" is a player who has a Course Handicap of approximately 20 on a course of standard difficulty. He can hit tee shots an average of 200 yards and reach a 370-yard hole in two shots at sea level. A female bogey golfer is a player who has a Course Handicap of approximately 24 on a course of standard difficulty. She can hit tee shots an average of 150 yards and reach a 280-yard hole in two shots.
Bogey Rating: A "Bogey Rating" is the USGA's mark of the evaluation of the playing difficulty of a course for the bogey golfer under normal course and weather conditions. It is based on yardage, effective playing length, and other obstacles to the extent that they affect the scoring ability of the bogey golfer.
Course Handicap: A "Course Handicap" is the USGA's mark that indicates the number of handicap strokes a player receives from a specific set of tees at the course being played to adjust the player's scoring ability to the level of scratch or zero-handicap golf. For a player with a plus Course Handicap, it is the number of handicap strokes a player gives to adjust the player's scoring ability to the level of scratch or zero-handicap golf. A Course Handicap is determined by applying the player's Handicap Index to a Course Handicap Table or Course Handicap Formula. (See Section 10-4.) A player's Course Handicap is expressed as a whole number. The result of any conditions of the competition, handicap allowance, or competition from a different USGA Course Rating that changes a Course Handicap is considered to be the Course Handicap.
Net Score: A "net score" is a player's score after handicap strokes have been subtracted from the player's gross score. A plus handicap player adds handicap strokes to the player's gross score to yield a net score.
Exactly.
Quoted from the Par Encyclopedia thread:
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Par is a "design concept" or "design label".
If the hole was designed to be reached in 1 shot, it is a par 3.
If the hole was designed to be reached in 2 shots*, it is a par 4.
If the hole was designed to be reached in 3 shots**, it is a par 5.
If you can't easily tell how many shots a hole was designed to be reached in, there is probably a design problem with that hole.
Notes:
* Or, at the player's discretion, 1 heroic*** shot.
** Or, at the player's discretion, 2 heroic*** shots.
*** "heroic" implies risky and really really good.
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If the hole was designed to be reached in 1 shot, it is a par 3.
If the hole was designed to be reached in 2 shots*, it is a par 4.
If the hole was designed to be reached in 3 shots**, it is a par 5.
If you can't easily tell how many shots a hole was designed to be reached in, there is probably a design problem with that hole."