Form Check Request

[pr1malbyt3s]

Hi all! Been playing seriously since April and recently began my backhand form journey.I've reached a plateau from self-study/drilling and am asking for additional sets of eyes/drill ideas. Issues I think I'm still having:
-Too large of a plant step
-Keeping weight fully behind the front leg brace
-Keeping a loose arm through the pocket

I would be forever grateful to any form gurus who could point out 2-3 big issues so I can work from there. Thanks for reading!

*Note: all these throws involve an x-step because my current "reach back" technique is to hold the disc in the same spot and release all arm tension before beginning the throw. Haven't found a good way to do this comfortably from stand-still. Open to any and all suggestions or different techniques.

Side Throw 1:

https://youtu.be/88uZOkhD06k

Included this to show what my normal brace looks like on solid ground as the two videos below were from a wet field where it was hard to get a good plant

Side Throw 2:

https://youtu.be/KkB9i-_C9qE

Rear Throw:

https://youtu.be/MIi30RLA4bg

Disc thrown here is an understable mid

 

[sidewinder22]

1. You are hugging yourself and planting turned too open. Need to turn your whole body further back into plant and widen the upper arm away from chest so that your elbow is further forward from the beginning, so you can Hug the disc, instead of yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eWfwpahfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_tQE0N9RHY

2. You are staggering your stance too much and falling over to the west/left/toes instead of turning the rear hip further back and buttwiping.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139973
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133543

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

Hey SW22, thanks for the initial feedback! Took the last few days to focus on feet alignment, rotating more closed to target, and the butt wipe weight shift. It already seems more balanced and I can really feel the ground force effects through the pendulum swing. Hoping to get some feedback if it seems like I'm on the right track with the intent of these drills. Here's some new footage of me doing dynamic stand stills:

Rear View 1:
https://youtu.be/yvF3TfghiR0

Rear View 2:
https://youtu.be/lsVM-5wdawo

Side View:
https://youtu.be/tZszHJY_VcA

As far as throwing arm mechanics, obviously still have a ways to go. With the pendulum motion, I'm consciously trying to keep the arm loose to let the disc 'push' the elbow and wrist through until the hit, but the arm always feels taught at any point during these dynamic drills. Any recommended cue/drill to get a better feel for the loose arm/hand on outside of disc sensation? Thanks!

 

[sidewinder22]

1. Address/hit/release. Note how you are tilted way back while I'm slightly forward.

2. Elbow lead/hugging. Note how your elbow is stuck down next to your hip/body, so your elbow is never out away from body and leading the lower arm/disc on plane going forward.

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

Been away for a while but have still been training and practicing. Recently had an aha moment with weight shift and managed to consistently record my longest stand still putter throws by 30-50' per throw. Incredible feeling. Going to the field tomorrow and will get some updated footage.

One thing I'm still really struggling with is the elbow lead and not wanting to naturally pin my arm to my chest in the backswing. I've managed increase my coil (doorframe) and improve the patience in my throw to create more lag, but I'm still looking for backswing cues that work for me. This was evident after I tossed a hammer about 125' but on a 45 degree angle away from my target line..

Anyways, was hoping to hear any other possible sensations I might could relate the correct feeling too. Open arm hug kinda works, but still not fully clicking. Lastly, should the throwing shoulder scapula be protracted in the backswing? Thanks!

 

[sidewinder22]

Think of your shoulders and arm as one big lever while the elbow bends into a double pendulum. Note how my left shoulder remains very centered in the windmill while the right shoulder makes a much bigger swing around it.

The arm/disc weight/inertia/gravity should pull the shoulder taut(into protraction) like ball on string, dingle arm and door frame drill.

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

This makes a little more sense to me- so like a class 3 lever? Shoulders to end of upper arm are the lever, off-arm shoulder is the fulcrum, elbow down is part of the resisting load? Need to play around with this but definitely different than how I was thinking about it.

More footage: https://youtu.be/YmL9P2SbsbM. Wasn't feeling everything click like yesterday and the tape shows. Came across this in a different thread:

I recently had a bit of a revelation, or so I hope, regarding the hips. I have for so long tried to find ways to generate power using my legs and hips, and I have struggled with consistency.

After watching a bunch of Shawn Clement videos, his mantra of: "Go get the ground, get the body out of the way" suddenly clicked with me. I tried to incorporate this in my throw by doing the following:

1. Weight on rear instep, push body out of the way so I can get into my back swing

2. Weight on front instep, push body out of the way so I can swing towards the target

At no point did I try to throw it hard or generate power, instead I simply try to give myself space to properly swing. I could comfortably throw around 90% of my previous max distance with little effort, and I was hitting my lines much better than I normally do. It felt clean and efficient.

After closer examination, I realize that this is more or less the elephant walk drill, and probably butt wipe drill, as well as most of SW22's other drills. Some of us need to hear the same thing many times and in many different ways before it gets through.

Anyway, just wanted to share this aha-moment. Does it sound like a step in the right direction?

Is it beneficial to think of "getting the body out of the way" in regards to swing path?

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

After some playing around and rewatching videos, I realized I may not be in the best leverage position with my lower body at the peak of my backswing. I recorded some door frame drills from different angles. I seem very turned around in what *feels* like my best leveraged position. I imagined my feet would be more perpendicular to the target. One thing I noticed was it seemed difficult to fully shift into the front foot from this current position. Welcoming any feedback.

Doorframe front front of teepad:

https://youtu.be/OkKrP47jiDg

Doorframe from east of teepad:
https://youtu.be/A1-HQDH1Nbc

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

Been grinding on on a few things and have once again reached a point where I'm not sure how to diagnose/fix some recurring issues. I think I've significantly improved: my footwork, pressure/weight shift, and off arm mechanics. Obviously still not outstanding but a lot more comfortable to me.

I am currently lost in the sauce with my throwing arm mechanics and coiling (maybe loading the oblique swing, maybe something to do with my rear hip?). Anyways, hoping to collect some pointed feedback. Thank you all for you time and help!

Side view throws/Teepad 9 o clock:


Rear view throws/Teepad 6 o clock (think the angle here is more like 5 o clock):

 

[sidewinder22]

Missed your previous door frame posts, which is where I would go back and work on this.

1. Your rear foot is too far northeast from door frame so your head and CoG is more behind your foot, instead of leveraged ahead of it. Play around with your rear foot placement while holding on to door frame.

2. Note how your spine is in extension instead of pulled taut into slight flexion.

3. Your pelvis/front foot is turned too far backwards and staggered too closed for this drill. Only should have very slight stagger couple inches at most, and front foot flared either perpendicular or slightly open for drill.

 

[pr1malbyt3s]

I apologize my posts are so sporadic. I don't have as many opportunities right now to really drill into form work as I would like. I definitely understand the doorframe drill better now, and I think I have it down- will post a new video tomorrow. I was hoping you could confirm the lower body swing sequence for me so I can better understand overall positioning:

*From a "standstill"
1) We initiate the backswing and the rear hip moves forward (NOT forward and down) to counter inertia (Buttwipe drill/Hogan power move)
2) Once the lower spine is supported (maybe supported is the wrong word) by the front foot, we shift the weight into the brace (Crush the can)
*I think this is when we are doorframe position?
3) We're now compressed, so we decompress the front leg (One leg drill) allowing the front hip to clear and finish the swing

Is this fundamentally correct?