Nothing of the kind was ever said.
Hmm "if the league guys are there every week or month busting their asses getting the course playable, throwing tourneys, etc., and they see YOU enjoying the course but not going to league, nor pitching in on work days, and never introducing yourself to any of them...well, maybe they're catching bad vibes off of YOU." sure sounds like if you don't work on the course, you are the bad guy.
Also "are you a member of the local club? have you offered to help clean and maintain the course? have you done anything constructive" seems again to say that if you don't work on the course that you aren't welcome. Also "good luck as you navigate those scary courses filled with competetive (sp) players, hope you find your friend who will shield you and hold your hand as you journey towards becoming a man" is not constructive.
More hostility - "Maybe the best solution would be for you to sell your discs and take up a hobby that requires no social interaction." and "Good Grief you are just a complete incorrigible a** aren't you. You need to get over yourself. You probably hate leagues because no one wants you around theirs."
But some of these may be trolls. Now for your reading comprehension.
Uhh, hate to break this to you pal, but while the land may be public property, in some cases the baskets are indeed property of the local club, or at the very least are purchased by the parks department with money the club provides. In such cases, the club are generally the ones who get to decide which position they are set, and when those positions change. They may also have authority to pull the baskets from a permanent course for a few days to use them for a temporary one elsewhere.
I never said that none of the clubs paid for baskets and tees, etc. I said "just because you belong to the club doesn't mean you paid for the land or the baskets". If you did then obviously that's a different story. But even then you probably didn't pay for them yourself. You held events where you took contributions of which some were used for improvements and maintenance. Much like the events that I have paid for where the guys running the event or league have made it clear that 50% goes to payout, 25% to the club, and 25% to course improvement/maintenance. I never begrudge any of that. The club is the one that decides what course modifications are made (e.g. trees and bushes removed; new trees planted) and I don't begrudge that either even though I don't always agree - but if I felt strongly, I should join the group that is making the decisions.
hat you're forgetting, and what you're first point completely swung and missed on, is that if not for the efforts of said DBs, that course quite possibly may not be there for you to play, on your own time, and often for free. This is the disconnect those you whining in this thread don't seem to get. Perhaps it is you butthurt types who need to go build a course, raise the funds, do all of the sweat equity in getting it approved, paid for, cleaned up and put in the ground, and start a club of your own so you can keep the good times rolling. Then you can see this issue from the other side. Perhaps then, you'll understand.
Again you can't read apparently. I didn't say all leagues and clubs are DBs. I said that it's possible that the OP encountered one that was. I specifically cited that I encountered one that was but also encountered many more that weren't. My butt doesn't hurt (apparently you're intolerant about other things as well). I know many guys who have gotten courses put in and applaud all their efforts. I have assisted on the weekend moving fallen trees and clearing fairways. When one local course lost a basket in a storm, I wrote a check for $750 to get it replaced. And you know what extra rights that grants me on the course? Absolutely none nor should it. Volunteer work is exactly that - I never expect special privileges as once the good deed is done, it's over. Most of this stuff is a labor of love - the guys working the course are getting the benefit of a better course so it's not as if it's totally selfless.
Nobody has to join a club to maintain a course. Not everyone who joins a club does. I would say that 95% of the trash pickup I've ever done was a completely independent effort.
If picking up trash counts as course maintenance then I've been doing it for 20 years. You may be the hardest working guy at your course, I don't know you. But most courses have a few guys who do 90% of the work and a bunch of guys who show up for leagues only. Nothing wrong with that - people don't all have the time to volunteer. But the attitude that if you don't play leagues and/or are not a member of the club than you have less of a right to use a course or have an opinion is exactly what I was talking about. And unfortunately your note directly conveys that message. I don't really care as I will continue to throw money and time to the courses where the atmosphere is good and if the unfriendly courses shut down, no effect on me.
P.S. For "pay-to-play" courses, I pay. I do not find ways to sneak around playing as I see suggested here. For private P2P, I normally give $20 rather than the meager $1-$5 requested because I figure that this person is definitely the one who is working it and I want to keep these courses alive. So you make think I'm a whiner but actually I believe I contribute more than someone who plays in a league in the hope of cashing. Just because I don't want to join the club because I prefer playing at a faster pace doesn't make me a non-contributor. And you may be a great guy but you come across as someone hostile to anyone who doesn't belong to your club. I'm probably wrong but as I said previously, it's hard to read tone in these forums.
, and generally partake in the culture. You will know after a few tries if you can deal with them or not, and the answer may well be that you make a lot of friends and enjoy it. If not, I really enjoy playing by myself a lot (get more exercise for one thing). Or corrupt your current friends - a mostly free sport you play in beautiful woodlands or parks is very attractive.
